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15 year planned support period for VW infotainment software.

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Pres

Discussion Starter · 2 mo ago (Edited)

Interesting article on VW/Cariad support period for their ~~implementation of Android Automotive~~
car software. (edit: they never actually specified it was for Android Automotive in the actual quotes from VW, it is just mentioned in the opening paragraph and title, might be an error on the part of the journalist as a VW quote mentions QNX also as an option. Sorry for the reading error.)

However, given their software support history with the ID cars so far, I'd take their comments with a pinch of salt.

arstechnica.com

VW will support software products for the “lifetime” of a car—up to 15 years

It's the answer to a question we've been pondering for some time.

arstechnica.com

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SunWizard

· #2 · 2 mo ago

Ours is not based on Android Automotive OS, so I wonder if they still plan 15 years support for us non AAOS? I doubt it since VW are moving all new cars in a few years to AAOS that leaves us as stranded then.

Pres

Discussion Starter · #3 · 2 mo ago

SunWizard said:
Ours is not based on Android Automotive OS, so I wonder if they still plan 15 years support for us non AAOS? I doubt it since VW are moving all new cars in a few years to AAOS that leaves us as stranded then.

Oh, I thought it was a fork of some kind. Do you know it is based on then?

BlueDH

· #4 · 2 mo ago

16 oz. of pink Himalayan salt 😉.

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SunWizard

· #5 · 2 mo ago

Pres said:
Oh, I thought it was a fork of some kind. Do you know it is based on then?

Currently based on blackberry QNX for infotainment with some automotive grade linux for the binnacle and real time critical systems. Lots of details in here:

www.vwidtalk.com

Android automotive OS takes over the market, can we benefit?

VW has switched to using Android automotive as the basis for its open source VW.OS. This is the OS that runs on VW future infotainment head unit. They have 3000 software engineers working on it so they can get from the current 10% developed in-house up to their goal of 60%. (5000 working on it...

www.vwidtalk.com

www.vwidtalk.com

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jakesterpdx

· #6 · 2 mo ago

It would be very easy for them to maintain their current level of support for another 100+ years, since they've not released a single update...

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Roadblock

· #7 · 2 mo ago

jakesterpdx said:
It would be very easy for them to maintain their current level of support for another 100+ years, since they've not released a single update...

What do you mean by that? My ID.3 got 2.1 => 2.3 as an OTA update. Now it has 3.0 installed. There have also been many smaller updates and also the navigation database is updated automatically in the background.

Spin

· #8 · 2 mo ago

Roadblock said:
What do you mean by that? My ID.3 got 2.1 => 2.3 as an OTA update. Now it has 3.0 installed. There have also been many smaller updates and also the navigation database is updated automatically in the background.

Most US cars are still on 2.1 and haven't received any updates in 2 years of ownership.

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jimw625

· #9 · 2 mo ago

Roadblock said:
What do you mean by that? My ID.3 got 2.1 => 2.3 as an OTA update. Now it has 3.0 installed. There have also been many smaller updates and also the navigation database is updated automatically in the background.

Well those of us that own id.4s in the Land of Forgotten Promises (USA) envy the support that VW provide elsewhere. Even China gets updates before the US.

ericy

· #10 · 2 mo ago

Spin said:
Most US cars are still on 2.1 and haven't received any updates in 2 years of ownership.

We do get the navi updates, but thats it.

mitch.greenfield

· #11 · 2 mo ago

15 years of nothing is still nothing. I read the article and laughed

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Roadblock

· #12 · 2 mo ago

mitch.greenfield said:
15 years of nothing is still nothing. I read the article and laughed

Tesla has practically already stopped supporting their older cars so what's the difference:

teslamotorsclub.com

Why so few SW updates for my 2016 Model S

I bought my 2016 MS 5 years ago and still love driving it. I used to read a lot of TMC forum posts to keep up to date on things, but haven't been here for over a year now. So I'm wondering if the lack of software updates is due to the age of my car and Tesla isn't updating older cars very...

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mitch.greenfield

· #13 · 2 mo ago

Roadblock said:
Tesla has practically already stopped supporting their older cars so what's the difference:

Why so few SW updates for my 2016 Model S

I bought my 2016 MS 5 years ago and still love driving it. I used to read a lot of TMC forum posts to keep up to date on things, but haven't been here for over a year now. So I'm wondering if the lack of software updates is due to the age of my car and Tesla isn't updating older cars very...

teslamotorsclub.com

I know the # of updates that they have gotten since 2016 is a LOT more then the 0 I have gotten since April 2021...

TidingSStables

· #14 · 2 mo ago

Roadblock said:
Tesla has practically already stopped supporting their older cars so what's the difference:

Why so few SW updates for my 2016 Model S

I bought my 2016 MS 5 years ago and still love driving it. I used to read a lot of TMC forum posts to keep up to date on things, but haven't been here for over a year now. So I'm wondering if the lack of software updates is due to the age of my car and Tesla isn't updating older cars very...

teslamotorsclub.com

Not true. My friend’s 1st gen model X just got an update about 3 months ago, and there is a plan offered to upgrade cameras and computer for FSD which will come at a costs. The 5 year old Tesla Mobileye autopilot similar in ID4 TACC still looks more advanced than what VW has to offer now. The only non support is the body parts I met a guy who waited 9 months for a floor cover. Tesla from what I hear doesn’t make spare parts.

jimw625

· #15 · 2 mo ago

Roadblock said:
Tesla has practically already stopped supporting their older cars so what's the difference:

Why so few SW updates for my 2016 Model S

I bought my 2016 MS 5 years ago and still love driving it. I used to read a lot of TMC forum posts to keep up to date on things, but haven't been here for over a year now. So I'm wondering if the lack of software updates is due to the age of my car and Tesla isn't updating older cars very...

teslamotorsclub.com

You might want to check that. For the older cars that now need a hardware upgrade to stay current, they offer a H/W upgrade. VW has not delivered a single upgrade to the US market: "0", Nada, Zip.

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McMark

· #16 · 2 mo ago

jimw625 said:
You might want to check that. For the older cars that now need a hardware upgrade to stay current, they offer a H/W upgrade. VW has not delivered a single upgrade to the US market: "0", Nada, Zip.

Not zero. Maybe 250 or so made it through. So they’ve delivered like 1% of an upgrade

mitch.greenfield

· #17 · 2 mo ago

McMark said:
Not zero. Maybe 250 or so made it through. So they’ve delivered like 1% of an upgrade

My personal experience is zero and that's all I can speak to.

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jimw625

· #18 · 2 mo ago

Since this thread is about upgrades, my comment is that VW over the short span that they have actually been involved in the BEV market (where upgrades are an important market requirement) has delivered zero to the market. Tesla has delivered a steady drum beat of upgrades, and when they upgraded onboard hardware to the product line they have offered an upgrade hardware option to older cars. VW has delivered neither. And, yes a few 2021 id.4s got an upgrade, but he broader group got ZERO (as in Zip, nada, bupkus). VW continues to optimize stockholder profit over customer satisfaction. Ford has admitted they have lost money on their EVs to date, but they are committed to the BEV space and will recover those costs in the future if they support the transition. VW ( of America?) is clueless and tone deaf on this strategy.

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TidingSStables

· #19 · 2 mo ago

jimw625 said:
Since this thread is about upgrades, my comment is that VW over the short span that they have actually been involved in the BEV market (where upgrades are an important market requirement) has delivered zero to the market. Tesla has delivered a steady drum beat of upgrades, and when they upgraded onboard hardware to the product line they have offered an upgrade hardware option to older cars. VW has delivered neither. And, yes a few 2021 id.4s got an upgrade, but he broader group got ZERO (as in Zip, nada, bupkus). VW continues to optimize stockholder profit over customer satisfaction. Ford has admitted they have lost money on their EVs to date, but they are committed to the BEV space and will recover those costs in the future if they support the transition. VW ( of America?) is clueless and tone deaf on this strategy.

Here’s the guy in charge of your software and your EV. They are not all in!

www.reuters.com

Porsche CEO: There is no conflict between e-mobility and e-fuels

Porsche CEO Oliver Blume characterised the debate over e-fuels as "emotional" and said there was no conflict between electrification and building out e-fuel production during a press call on Monday following the carmaker's results.

www.reuters.com

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jimw625

· #20 · 2 mo ago

Since this discussion has turned very negative, I predict that this will be the last post. The fan bros will kill this discussion and /or redirect to another subject. VW. STOP KILLING NEGATIVE POST, FIX THE CARS.

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