Were no 2022s sold with the old software?
2021 Recall 23V-040
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Were no 2022s sold with the old software?
This recall is being discussed in lots of other threads, but specific to your question, I don't understand how this is limited to only the 2021 model year. 2021s were produced up to the last week of December '21, then switched over to '22 production around Christmas week.
According to your link you shared, affected production runs through January.
No matter, your link provides the VIN range, and recalls are always subject to being updated to broaden the scope. Since this is so fresh, I expect more will dribble out this week.
Remember that the first group of 2022s imported to the U.S. had a software update done at the port of entry. Maybe this port-installed update fixed the pulse inverter part of the 2021 recall issue? Also, looks like all vehicles manufactured after calendar week 49 in 2021 had at least the BMS half of the software fix already installed, so the early 2022s produced up until mid-May probably only needed the pulse inverter software updated.
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The VIN range is WVGFMPE24MP000559 to WVGUNPE27MP066592. All 2021 ID.4s are included. I'll explain... this is based on VW's 2021 VIN Decoder Card available through erWin.
W - Country of Origin: Germany
VG - Manufacturer: VW Europe SUV / MPV
F through U - Series: (such as First Edition, Pro, Pro S, etc)
M/N - Engine: (M = RWD, N = AWD)
P - Restraint: Side & Side Curtain Airbags
E2 - Model: ID4. SUV
4-7 - Check #
M - Model Year: 2021
P - Assembly Plant: Mosel (Zwickau-Mosel)
000559 to 066592 - Production Sequence (resets for each model, each year)
You'll notice the VIN range shows the following values unchanged:
W - Country of Origin: Germany
VG - Manufacturer: VW Europe SUV / MPV
P - Restraint: Side & Side Curtain Airbags
E2 - Model: ID4. SUV
M - Model Year: 2021
P - Assembly Plant: Mosel (Zwickau-Mosel)
Only the following vary:
F through U - Series: (such as First Edition, Pro, Pro S, etc)
M/N - Engine: (M = RWD, N = AWD)
4-7 - Check # (this is just a checksum so they know a VIN hasn't been tampered with)
000559 to 066592 - Production Sequence (resets for each model, each year)
So, the recall will apply to all 2021 ID.4 built in Emden, regardless of trim level or drivetrain configuration, as long as the production sequence number is between 559 and 66592. (I'd wager that's all of the 2021 production, btw!) Of those 60k, the 20k that came to US are the ones that are affected by this US recall; the 40k sold in other markets will have to be handled in those markets... this is only a US recall that we're discussing.
Presumably the 2022 cars have updated firmware in port before delivery and so are not affected.
W - Country of Origin: Germany
VG - Manufacturer: VW Europe SUV / MPV
F through U - Series: (such as First Edition, Pro, Pro S, etc)
M/N - Engine: (M = RWD, N = AWD)
P - Restraint: Side & Side Curtain Airbags
E2 - Model: ID4. SUV
4-7 - Check #
M - Model Year: 2021
P - Assembly Plant: Mosel (Zwickau-Mosel)
000559 to 066592 - Production Sequence (resets for each model, each year)
You'll notice the VIN range shows the following values unchanged:
W - Country of Origin: Germany
VG - Manufacturer: VW Europe SUV / MPV
P - Restraint: Side & Side Curtain Airbags
E2 - Model: ID4. SUV
M - Model Year: 2021
P - Assembly Plant: Mosel (Zwickau-Mosel)
Only the following vary:
F through U - Series: (such as First Edition, Pro, Pro S, etc)
M/N - Engine: (M = RWD, N = AWD)
4-7 - Check # (this is just a checksum so they know a VIN hasn't been tampered with)
000559 to 066592 - Production Sequence (resets for each model, each year)
So, the recall will apply to all 2021 ID.4 built in Emden, regardless of trim level or drivetrain configuration, as long as the production sequence number is between 559 and 66592. (I'd wager that's all of the 2021 production, btw!) Of those 60k, the 20k that came to US are the ones that are affected by this US recall; the 40k sold in other markets will have to be handled in those markets... this is only a US recall that we're discussing.
Presumably the 2022 cars have updated firmware in port before delivery and so are not affected.
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Does anyone know where in the car — on which parts — these 2 software firmwares reside? Are they both on the A19 inverter ?
BMS is C8
No idea where the pulse inverter sits. Was assuming it was a sub-module inside the BMS. I don’t see A19 in Obdeleven. Where did you get that number from?
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I wonder if 66592 is the last 2021 model built. My VIN is within single digits of that (12/2021 build date).
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I'd wager it is!
Had a BMW 1200RT a few years back that had a shock recall (short version) and BMW issued a “Do Not Ride” order. They offered $2500 or full buyback or a comparable bike loaner until new shocks became available (took ~120 days as I recall). This would seem a bit more ominous but VW is saying “we’ll get back with you”? BMW X5 45e is looking more attractive every day.
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If they really thought it was unsafe, they'd issue a stop driving order. They didn't... Only 32 of the 20,000+ vehicles affected have the potential stalling issue - that's in the document they submitted to the NHTSA.
Where did you see this?
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This is obviously a safety issue. The Tesla caused pile up in San Francisco was the result of similar behavior, a car just coming to a stop in the middle of a highway. As far as the numbers, "The recall decision is based on identified fault entries in US vehicles which indicate that the recall condition could have been present: HV battery CU 384/pulse inverter 32 " - that reads to me as they identified the HV fault as having happened in 384 vehicles, and the pulse inverter in 32. The recall is clear that every vehicle identified potentially has the issue.
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It’s near the end of the NHTSA document - only 32 issues with pulse inverter. (That’s the thing that causes the “stall”) I believe 3 of them are on this board.
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Of course it’s a safety issue - that’s why it’s a recall. It’s nowhere near as serious a safety issue as Tesla phantom braking, however, where they jam on the brakes like a panic stop. The pulse converter issue would behave like a stall in a gas car, except you don’t lose steering or braking like you would in a gas car.
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