I am debating waiting on my 2023 S AWD that I ordered back in August and not available till Q1 2023 (I’ve been at 05 since the first of November.) I’ve been offered a 2022 Pro S RWD. I am NOT looking to get a tax credit, I don’t have tax liability to be able to take advantage of it. So anyways, the price difference is low. What is the difference in these two cars besides the battery size? That in itself it not a deal breaker for me. (I guess it would be nice when I go to visit the in-laws once or twice a year.) It seems the 2022 Pro S may have power mirrors with memory that the 2023 S does not have. Anything else I am missing?

Differences: battery size and AWD vs. RWD. The smaller battery size you ordered is a fair amount less expensive than the larger battery Pro S. Offsetting that, the RWD in the Pro S is significantly less expensive than the AWD.

NOTE: If you have any tax liability in 2023 and the IF the ID.4 qualifies for $3750 in 2023, then you could get as much credit as you have tax liability to cover. For example, if your tax liability is $2500 in 2023, then you can claim a $2500 credit against that - you would miss out on the other $1250. It's not an all or nothing deal.

Dave

 

I apologize they are both RWD. I edited my post.

 

My choice would be do I need 100 more hp with AWD or not? If you have snow or ice in the winter then I would likely get AWD.

 

I apologize. They are actually both RWD. I don’t need AWD where I live.

 

I purchased a 2022 Pro S RWD in October without tax credit. That range is somewhere around 262. I came from a Leaf with smaller battery and range about 215.

Obvious differences between the cars aside, I appreciate the increased range very much, with a peace of mind for even shorter trips (100 miles) that I didn’t experience with the Leaf. Too many other differences to cite. I am glad I purchased the ID.

I also appreciate the Euro design vs American interior, the 19” wheels, the power folding mirrors. Once you have a car and drive it, it’s the smaller comforts that start to matter more.

Good luck whatever you choose.

 

Thank you so much for taking the time to reply. Nice insight!

 

You will also have front and rear tow points and a longer range, power seats, power folding mirrors. The maximum charging rate in kWs will be similar. You will have an LG battery instead of an SKI but there is no proven difference. It is also possible that the price will increase on the 2023 S before you receive it . All in all you will have a nicer can and can start driving it sooner in my opinion.

 

I would also consider the workmanship and quality control issues for 2022 versus 2023.

I'll get a lot of flak for saying this (fire away, IRA apologists), but from what I can read and see on the internet on this and other forums, over recent months, the 2022 coming out of Emden in the latter half of 2022 seems to be largely trouble-free, no recalls or gremlins that I'm aware of. I think the various bugs from 2021 were worked out and improved for the 2022, and hopefully the long-awaited software updates and 12V battery replacement will take care of those that have been documented. US 2023 seems to be having a few problems, as you might expect with a new installation. My 2022 has behaved perfectly the past 2 months - no complaints here. Also, better price if at MSRP. If clean vehicle credit is not an issue, and you have no prefererence regarding assembly location, I would go with the 2022.

 

Nice insight! So do both of these cars have the correct 12v battery? How will I know the 2022 does?

 

I had a order for a 2023 but I bought a 2022 /pro s gradient/lunar today and brought it home. Love it, plus is has the floor mats and lv1 charger. And it cost less than what I ordered.

 

You mean the Monster Mats that are an add-on?

 

I have a ‘22 Pro S AWD with the upgraded 12V battery and v3.1 software. I’m VERY happy with the car and have no regrets. I previously had a ‘21 with the “deficient” 12V battery and v2.1 software. The ‘22 is a huge improvement in my opinion. And nothing in the ‘23 seems like a must-have to me so I’m a happy camper.

PS I couldn’t make use of the tax credit and I wanted to shortcut the upgrade to 3.1. It was close to a wash with the high trade-in value of the ‘21.

 

You know there is plenty of MSRP 2023's on dealer lots right now. Just call the nearest 10 dealerships and ask to be put on a list.. you'll be contacted within a week or so with one at msrp. I did and I'm in SOCAL the hottest region in the west coast. Some will ask for over msrp but will come back at msrp if you say no and it doesn't move fast enough.

 

Question from post#11: "Nice insight! So do both of these cars have the correct 12v battery? How will I know the 2022 does?"

This question was asked about a month in another thread specific to the 2022 cars, I forget which thread, but you can lift the rather substantial portion of the battery cover near the positive terminal about a cm or so, peek underneath, and if you see the letter 'B' on the end on the battery part/product number, I think that indicates you have the better battery option in terms of it being able to handle deep discharges and recharges - that's my very simplistic understanding from what I've read on this forum. The 2021 battery had the same part number, but without the 'B' on the end (I think - I've not seen one). I think that earlier battery was partly responsible for causing some of the problems in the 2021, from what I've read elsewhere on this forum.

I also have a question in my mind regarding the wiring harness. Up to about March 2022, my understanding was the wiring harness for the ID4 was being manufactured in Ukraine, and the onset of war there meant VW had to find another manufacturer - possibly in Poland or Czechoslovakia (I don't know, just my speculation) in order to resume manufacturing the 2022 - I recall reading this on the news on the internet, somewhere. I don't know if that's still the case, or if the Ukraine factory resumed production of the wiring harness a few months later. My question was whether the previously manufactured wiring harness may also have contributing to some of the electrical connection issues in the 2021 models, in addition to the software programming and inadequate 12V battery. I've no evidence to say it was, but (as a one-time scientist for 40 years) I do like to investigate all possible causes for potential QC issues - and the wiring harness question has never been addressed in a public discussion forum that I'm aware of - so it's a slim possibility. Poor electrical connectivity does seem to be behind some of the problems with the ID4 - so the wiring harness should be looked at in addition to the software programming and battery capabilities.

Good news is, the 2022 wiring harness seems to be good, so far.

 

Wow! Let me search for that thread. Thank you so much for mentioning this!

 

RE post #18: "There is no need to be edgy for the sake of edginess. Just go ahead and make your point."

My point is, in a word, protectionism, regarding US manufacturing jobs for Clean Energy and that European and Asian EV manufacturers will no longer able to compete on a fair playing field due to the IRA, and certain democratic senators who enjoy throwing a spanner in the works of last-minute changes to bills when ever they can, because they have vested interests elsewhere. Progress towards a clean energy future will be hampered if fewer people buy imported EVs because they no longer qualify for the clean vehicle credit, and I want the choice to continue to be able to buy European if US manufacturers, such as VW, compromise on valuable car features, some of which are safety/quality related, such as the non-existant front and rear tow hook capability in the 2023 for just one recent example that we now know about. That is a critical safety issue, for me. If you want a deeper discussion about 'quality' and what it entails - read Robert M Persig's Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance - still highly valid nearly 50 years on.

IRA defenders with ties to the VW Chattanooga plant have said on this forum that maybe I, as a non-blue collar and now retired person, should not be eligible for the $7500 tax clean vehicle credit because the government handing out such credits affects blue collar jobs (probably true), and that protectionism is good if it guarantees clean energy jobs for US workers. A lot of news stories in Europe this past month about how IRA breaks WTO rules - EU politicians very angry. Fact is, I went without a car for 8 years because I couldn't stand owning another ICE vehicle, rode a bicycle to work and back (13 miles a day all weathers), and saved money every year for when a suitable EV would finally become available and affordable for me - which the 2022 ID.4 was.

IRA did a bait-and-switch for post-August 16th 2022 buyers for North American final assembly requirement regading clean vehicle credit, shut most EU and Asian manufacturers out of US market, and then the Catch-22 for the written binding contract (which requires a VIN, but no VIN issued until car has been built). Yes, I'm pissed about all this legal unfairness. US manufacturers will continue to cut costs, some of which compromise vehicle safety, push up MSRP, and seek out politicians who can enable these agendas. The energy may be getting cleaner, but the laws and the politics behind them still stink.