[Chipster]

Volkswagen ID.4 range expands with addition of 52 kWh battery, two new motors and an entry-level model eligible for the Plug-in Vehicle Grant | Automotive World

The Volkswagen ID.4 range has grown further, with City and Style variants of the 2021 World Car of the Year rolling out to UK customers

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[SunWizard]

That's the same 52kwh to lower the price that VW said about the upcoming US made ID.4: Buyers not in a hurry can look forward to a lower starting price in 2022 when production of the ID.4 starts at VW's plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee. VW said the starting price will be dropped to around $35,000 once local production starts.

 

[DitchingTheTiguanLol]

That's the same 52kwh to lower the price that VW said about the upcoming US made ID.4: Buyers not in a hurry can look forward to a lower starting price in 2022 when production of the ID.4 starts at VW's plant in Chattanooga, Tennessee. VW said the starting price will be dropped to around $35,000 once local production starts.

I would be extremely interested in that, unless the smaller battery means less power.

 

[Froggy]

I think that it just means less range. If you were to use it just as a city commuter car, that would be fine. It would be painful for highway trips though.

 

[DitchingTheTiguanLol]

I think that it just means less range. If you were to use it just as a city commuter car, that would be fine. It would be painful for highway trips though.

If the power and tire width are the same, the car should accelerate, handle, and brake better. A tenth or two off the 0-60 time would really benefit this car.

And yes for road trips, another car in the household would be a better fit; either a longer range EV or even better, a hybrid or ICE.

 

[roflson365]

If the power and tire width are the same, the car should accelerate, handle, and brake better. A tenth or two off the 0-60 time would really benefit this car.

And yes for road trips, another car in the household would be a better fit; either a longer range EV or even better, a hybrid or ICE.

It makes sense for smaller countries, less so the US.

 

[Fahrer]

The ID.4 comes with two different batteries and two different motors in Europe. Longer range is generally not necessary in the EU as driving distances are generally shorter. I doubt the ID.4 for the US will be offered with either the smaller battery or less powerful motor. The current setup for the US market makes the current ID.4 barely competitive, performance-wise. Similarly, gasoline models for the US generally have larger engines than those sold in other markets. Gas is relatively cheap in the US and Americans focus on acceleration. In Europe for example, gas is roughly $8/gallon and folks are generally more concerned about fuel consumption and top speed. The smallest engines offered will will generally enable a small car to exceed 100mph which is considered adequate and obtain the equivalent of 50+ mpg on country roads.

 

[FredT]

The ID.4 comes with two different batteries and two different motors in Europe. Longer range is generally not necessary in the EU as driving distances are generally shorter. I doubt the ID.4 for the US will be offered with either the smaller battery or less powerful motor. The current setup for the US market makes the current ID.4 barely competitive, performance-wise. Similarly, gasoline models for the US generally have larger engines than those sold in other markets. Gas is relatively cheap in the US and Americans focus on acceleration. In Europe for example, gas is roughly $8/gallon and folks are generally more concerned about fuel consumption and top speed. The smallest engines offered will will generally enable a small car to exceed 100mph which is considered adequate and obtain the equivalent of 50+ mpg on country roads.

Official: Cheaper Volkswagen ID.4 Coming To The US

 

[DitchingTheTiguanLol]

..... more concerned about fuel consumption and top speed. The smallest engines offered will will generally enable a small car to exceed 100mph which is considered adequate and obtain the equivalent of 50+ mpg on country roads.

A small small percentage of EU drivers break 100mph. A small engine CAN achieve that speed, but not in a practical way. The left lane monsters on the Autobahn are gas guzzlers. Eight bucks a gallon or not, Mercedes has no hesitation in building 600 horsepower beasts.

As to an ID4 with a small battery, cruising at 100+ mph would really crush its range.

 

[Fahrer]

I lived in Germany for about 4 years. Regardless of how fast they generally drive, an important selling point is that the car ( any car) can reach 100 mph. Not all fast cars are gas guzzlers. Most folks buy Diesels there and these cars tend to be ones that drive fast in the left lane for extended period of time. When living there, I had a Passat TDI with a 90 hp/200ft-lb. Diesel engine that had a max speed of 125 mph. I did cruise at that speed for a few hours at times. On local roads it got about 50-60 mpg but, of course, a lot less at high speeds ( 20 mpg?).

I have seen 4 cyl turbo Diesel M-B Sprinters going at 100 mph!

Most E class M-B, 5 Series BMWs and Audi A6 models there have small 4 cyl turbo Diesels. Acceleration is not that important there as they have long on ramps to the Autobahn and the fact that the country is so developed, fast acceleration cannot be used locally . Yes, they drive fast on the Autobahn in those larger cars with small engines. The big engines are primarily for the US and a few other markets.

The point is that the small engines are used in other markets. A small battery and/or lower powered motor for the ID.4 is unlikely for the US. If so, it won't sell well.

I am sure Europeans use their EVs mostly around town and on "B" roads and save their IC powered car for the highway drives.

 

[1440]

I would be extremely interested in that, unless the smaller battery means less power.

Unfortunately, it does. I think it’s around 150 hp for one version, and around 175 for the other. 0-60 times are around 11 and 9 seconds, respectively.
That’s what I, and the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, refer to as ‘Turtle Power’!
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[SunWizard]

It may be a long wait if you want the smaller battery, since VW stated "By September of next year they will be coming out of Tennessee" and with it that far away it will probably slip into 2023.

 

[DitchingTheTiguanLol]

It makes sense for smaller countries, less so the US.

The upcoming Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 will offer two battery pack sizes and either single or dual motors. Just general rules of marketing of trying to match various products to various buyers leaves me wondering why VW wouldn't offer a smaller battery.

 

[eurochez]

VW have released 2 new trims in the UK both with the smaller battery pack and lower power "Pure" power-train at 148PS.

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• eurochez
• May 22, 2021

 

[TT97]

The upcoming Hyundai Ioniq 5 and Kia EV6 will offer two battery pack sizes and either single or dual motors. Just general rules of marketing of trying to match various products to various buyers leaves me wondering why VW wouldn't offer a smaller battery.

I think VW plan is to offer the smaller battery size once US production starts.

 

[raadsel]

The ID.4 comes with two different batteries and two different motors in Europe. Longer range is generally not necessary in the EU as driving distances are generally shorter. I doubt the ID.4 for the US will be offered with either the smaller battery or less powerful motor. The current setup for the US market makes the current ID.4 barely competitive, performance-wise. Similarly, gasoline models for the US generally have larger engines than those sold in other markets. Gas is relatively cheap in the US and Americans focus on acceleration. In Europe for example, gas is roughly $8/gallon and folks are generally more concerned about fuel consumption and top speed. The smallest engines offered will will generally enable a small car to exceed 100mph which is considered adequate and obtain the equivalent of 50+ mpg on country roads.

It isn't a less powerful motor. It is, instead, that the less powerful battery cannot give the same amount of energy to the motor, so the motor -- despite being the same as in the car with the larger battery -- can't create the same amount of power. You see the same in the Mustang Mach E, or the Tesla Model 3 with the smaller battery pack.

 

[ExCivilian]

I'm surprised they're going to be offering a smaller battery in the US. Every survey I've seen, and every major manufacturer's stated goal, has claimed 200+ was the breakpoint for broad adoption due to range anxiety.

~150 range ([email protected]%) isn't useful to most US customers beyond dense cities and I'd estimate we've only got about a dozen of those types of cities.

 

[Froggy]

I'm surprised they're going to be offering a smaller battery in the US. Every survey I've seen, and every major manufacturer's stated goal, has claimed 200+ was the breakpoint for broad adoption due to range anxiety.

~150 range ([email protected]%) isn't useful to most US customers beyond dense cities and I'd estimate we've only got about a dozen of those types of cities.

However those cities have 10's of millions of people. Many of the people in some of the cities seldom ever leave the city, New Orleans and New York City come to mind, and when they do they often fly.

 

[ExCivilian]

However those cities have 10's of millions of people.

Facts notwithstanding, we've already been seeing how they respond to a sub-150 mile range EV (including VW's eGolf) for the past ten years.