Charging outside is not an issue with a weatherproof level 2 charger. You will have to check for level 3 chargers on your road trips. Electrify America sites would be free for 3 years and any other sites you will have to pay for. Try using A Better Route Planner. (ABRP)
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I‘m thinking about purchasing an ID.4. I live in Sioux Falls SD. We have a 1 car garage that my wife uses, so my home charger would have to be outside. Would there be any issue with a home charger charging outside during the winter? Second issue looking at Charge America there are no CA chargers in South Dakota, so I would not benefit with the 3 year free charging but maybe use that to lower the price. And checking South Dakota has very few fast chargers in the state. For a lot of my longer trips they would be to Iowa and Minnesota, again no or very few Charge America chargers.
What do you think good idea or bad? Anybody with experience with BEV cars in South Dakota.
What do you think good idea or bad? Anybody with experience with BEV cars in South Dakota.
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Dang, it seems South Dakota isn't the EV-friendliest state. In imposing a $50 annual EV registration fee via recent legislation, an article noted that there were only 162 EVs registered in the state in 2020. That's going to raise a TON of money AND promote adoption.
Living in a rural state likely saves you buckets of money if you drive a lot, assuming you'll be charging mostly at home, where it's cheapest. But Plugshare shows a bunch of CCS stops "coming soon" along I-90 and 29. You're right, none are Electrify America. The nearest EAs are Minneapolis and Omaha.
If you're subject to freezing rain, that may be a concern. Some EVers have fashioned up boots and hoods to protect the charging handles from getting "iced" to the charging port, but like Spin said, in general snow and rain aren't a problem. You can search for "frozen charging port" for examples of the problem and the solutions.
Living in a rural state likely saves you buckets of money if you drive a lot, assuming you'll be charging mostly at home, where it's cheapest. But Plugshare shows a bunch of CCS stops "coming soon" along I-90 and 29. You're right, none are Electrify America. The nearest EAs are Minneapolis and Omaha.
If you're subject to freezing rain, that may be a concern. Some EVers have fashioned up boots and hoods to protect the charging handles from getting "iced" to the charging port, but like Spin said, in general snow and rain aren't a problem. You can search for "frozen charging port" for examples of the problem and the solutions.
For the first question of having the charger outside, I would definitely check out https://youtube.com/channel/UCdX0BJNon1c6GfOdeS3pyDw. He does extensive testing on home EVSE equipment (technically the charger is in the car and you plug an EVSE into the car to deliver power but everyone knows them as chargers so don’t feel bad). He even puts the charger in an ice cream freezer for a day to test how well the cable handles cold.
For the second question about Electrify America availability in SD, MN and IA, that is a real issue you would have to decide on whether that is a deal breaker. They are building out rapidly so it is possible they would have stations in the future but I don’t have info on how far in the future. As far as getting a deal because of it, never hurts to try but at the moment I don’t think you will have much leverage as they aren’t having problems selling them.
A big factor for me would be what you are paying for electric and what, if any incentives there are in your state. In Vegas we normally pay 10.3 cents per kWh and I get around 3.5 miles per kWh so like 3 cents per mile. I was able to get a time of use rate when I registered my EV and that drops my rate from 10 PM till 8 AM to 4.8 cents so I’m down to 1.37 cents per mile. That’s low enough that I would rather charge at home than sit at a Walmart for 40 minutes once a week. Once my HOA approves my solar install I can charge over night in my garage for free.
Some areas like, I believe San Diego, pay 35 cents per kWh so that math is much worse but it depends on your situation, how much you drive, things like that.
For the second question about Electrify America availability in SD, MN and IA, that is a real issue you would have to decide on whether that is a deal breaker. They are building out rapidly so it is possible they would have stations in the future but I don’t have info on how far in the future. As far as getting a deal because of it, never hurts to try but at the moment I don’t think you will have much leverage as they aren’t having problems selling them.
A big factor for me would be what you are paying for electric and what, if any incentives there are in your state. In Vegas we normally pay 10.3 cents per kWh and I get around 3.5 miles per kWh so like 3 cents per mile. I was able to get a time of use rate when I registered my EV and that drops my rate from 10 PM till 8 AM to 4.8 cents so I’m down to 1.37 cents per mile. That’s low enough that I would rather charge at home than sit at a Walmart for 40 minutes once a week. Once my HOA approves my solar install I can charge over night in my garage for free.
Some areas like, I believe San Diego, pay 35 cents per kWh so that math is much worse but it depends on your situation, how much you drive, things like that.
Here is a Plugshare screenshot of >50KW public chargers with Sioux Falls at the center. You are in decent shape if you go east toward MN or south toward NE, but westward travel would be a tough row to hoe. Of course, many people buy EVs for local travel more than road trips. I pay about 11 cents per KWH and even if I do 100% of my charging at home and never use the free Electrify America option, I will spend only about 25% of what gas for my previous Tiguan cost. So, if you have another car available that is suitable for road trips, an EV could still be a good choice.
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I totally agree with this. In some areas, it's probably not worth trying to find an EA station if the rates are pretty cheap. I personally live in San Diego County and use SDG&E on the EV Time of Use 5 plan and it's up to 56¢ per kwh for the peak rate, but it's 31¢ for off peak and 9¢ for super off peak. Most of the time, I can fully charge my vehicle on the super off peak times, so I don't bother with using EA unless I'm traveling or near a station anyway. It's still a lot cheaper than paying what they want for gas here even if I use the 31¢ rate for the off peak price. If you make a lot of road trips, look at what charging stations are on the normal paths and figure out about how much you need to pay. Another thing to consider is that a lot of hotels have free charging now, so if you need to use a hotel, then try to find one that has a charger.For the first question of having the charge outside, I would definitely check out https://youtube.com/channel/UCdX0BJNon1c6GfOdeS3pyDw. He does extensive testing on home EVSE equipment (technically the charger is in the car and you plug an EVSE into the car to deliver power but everyone knows them as chargers so don’t feel bad). He even puts the charger in an ice cream freezer for a day to test how well the cable handles cold.
For the second question about Electrify America availability in SD, MN and IA, that is a real issue you would have to decide on whether that is a deal breaker. They are building out rapidly so it is possible Thea type would have stations in the future but I don’t have info on how far in the future. As far as getting a deal because of it, never hurts to try but at the moment I don’t think you will have much leverage as they aren’t having problems selling them.
A big factor for me would be what you are paying for electric and what if any incentives there are in your state. In Vegas we normally pay 10.3 cents per kWh and I get around 3.5 miles per kWh so like 3 cents per mile. I was able to get a time of use rate when I registered my EV and that drops my rate from 10 PM till 8 AM to 4.8 cents so I’m down to 1.37 cents per mile. That’s low enough that I would rather charge at home than sit at a Walmart for 40 minutes once a week. Once my HOA approves my solar install I can charge over night in my garage for free.
Some areas like I believe San Diego pay 35 cents per kWh so that math is much worse but it depends on your situation, how much you drive, things like that.
thanks for the replies, I did mean Electrify America not charge America, I should know better at my age to check things instead of going from memoryI‘m thinking about purchasing an ID.4. I live in Sioux Falls SD. We have a 1 car garage that my wife uses, so my home charger would have to be outside. Would there be any issue with a home charger charging outside during the winter? Second issue looking at Charge America there are no CA chargers in South Dakota, so I would not benefit with the 3 year free charging but maybe use that to lower the price. And checking South Dakota has very few fast chargers in the state. For a lot of my longer trips they would be to Iowa and Minnesota, again no or very few Charge America chargers.
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Something to consider is to put your EVSE near the garage door and run the cable under the door to the ID4 that you have backed into the drive way. Also there is a magnetic charging plug cover on Amazon.thanks for the replies, I did mean Electrify America not charge America, I should know better at my age to check things instead of going from memory
I live in Minneapolis-St. Paul metro, it's disappointing to have only 1 Electrify America station in the area. That said, home charging is worth it to me currently paying $0.1289 /kwh. Will get on a ToD plan soon and then it'll only be $0.066 /kWh. I-90 AND I-94 from Mpls westward to Billings MT are in Cycle 3 of the EA development plan, so if we're lucky mid to late 2022 we'll have more options going west (or east in your case)
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EA cycle 3 development
How long are those trips into MN and IA, and will you be going somewhere you can find destination charging? Even if it's just 120V that might be enough to get you back home, assuming you're staying overnight. Keep it at 70mph and you should get pretty close to the rated 250 mile range, at least in summer. My routine long trip is 150 miles from Saint Paul to my parent's house in western MN, and since I'm usually staying there a couple days it's plenty of time to top up and make the 150 mile return trip, even on 120V. (That said I installed a 240V outlet in their garage).
Presumably your wife's car is still gasoline powered, so that could give you some flexibility for those worst-case trips (winter, no destination charging) at least for the next few years until charging options improve.
Presumably your wife's car is still gasoline powered, so that could give you some flexibility for those worst-case trips (winter, no destination charging) at least for the next few years until charging options improve.
Mostly to Minneapolis and Rochester, to see family with a few longer trips in between. Iowa would be to the eastern side, Iowa City area. Most trips will be over night stays.How long are those trips into MN and IA, and will you be going somewhere you can find destination charging? Even if it's just 120V that might be enough to get you back home, assuming you're staying overnight. Keep it at 70mph and you should get pretty close to the rated 250 mile range, at least in summer. My routine long trip is 150 miles from Saint Paul to my parent's house in western MN, and since I'm usually staying there a couple days it's plenty of time to top up and make the 150 mile return trip, even on 120V. (That said I installed a 240V outlet in their garage).
Presumably your wife's car is still gasoline powered, so that could give you some flexibility for those worst-case trips (winter, no destination charging) at least for the next few years until charging options improve.
Looking on ABRP and PlugShare, it seems very possible to make trips to the Iowa City area using the EA network with relatively small detours via I-29 and I-80. For Minneapolis and Rochester, it's very possible using other networks, but considering how you are on a major interstate path, I don't see why EA wouldn't put stations there in the future. Just look at the thread on their current expansion plan. As mentioned further up in the thread, as long as you're not doing much long distance traveling westward right now, you should be fine in reaching your destination.Mostly to Minneapolis and Rochester, to see family with a few longer trips in between. Iowa would be to the eastern side, Iowa City area. Most trips will be over night stays.
On a more personal note, my wife and I were planning on purchasing an electric CUV anyway, but 3 years of access to the EA network was just the icing on the cake and helped lead us to the ID.4. Moreso than recommending the ID.4, I just try to promote electric vehicles in general and try to give my best assessment on each product. Most of the problems that I have had aren't unique to me, and hopefully will be corrected in a reasonable time. If you feel like an EV could make over 95% percent of the trips that you plan on doing, then it will probably make sense.
I hope that this helps and let us know what you decide to do.
And supposedly we will have access to the Tesla Supercharger network in the future.
That's easy , I do those in My Bolt from St Cloud to WaterlooMostly to Minneapolis and Rochester, to see family with a few longer trips in between. Iowa would be to the eastern side, Iowa City area. Most trips will be over night stays.
Fast DC charging is actually not a level 3. Level 2 charging as we know it is AC level 2 charging and DC fast charging is actually level 2 DC charging. But i agree with your recommendations.Charging outside is not an issue with a weatherproof level 2 charger. You will have to check for level 3 chargers on your road trips. Electrify America sites would be free for 3 years and any other sites you will have to pay for. Try using A Better Route Planner. (ABRP)
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True, there is nothing in the SAE J1772 Standard that calls DC charging "Level 3". The SAE proposed a DC Level 3 standard years ago but it never materialized. Maybe this is why DC fast charging is sometimes referred to as "Level 3"Fast DC charging is actually not a level 3. Level 2 charging as we know it is AC level 2 charging and DC fast charging is actually level 2 DC charging.
Even for those of us out East, Electrify America isn't always convenient. The nearest one to me is 90 miles away, but that's good enough to make road trips. Nearly all of the rest of the time, we charge at home (we do have closer 50kW ChargePoint chargers).
For what it is worth, I found a guy on youtube who was driving down from somewhere up by the Canadian border to Sioux Falls and back again in an ID.4. He did most of his charging at home as well, but for this trip he needed to use a handful of chargers to make the trip..
For what it is worth, I found a guy on youtube who was driving down from somewhere up by the Canadian border to Sioux Falls and back again in an ID.4. He did most of his charging at home as well, but for this trip he needed to use a handful of chargers to make the trip..
Quite correct, just one of those easier-to-understand-on-a-forum conventions.
Similar to how we often call an EVSE a charger when it is, well, just an EVSE.
Similar to how we often call an EVSE a charger when it is, well, just an EVSE.
Fast DC charging is actually not a level 3. Level 2 charging as we know it is AC level 2 charging and DC fast charging is actually level 2 DC charging. But i agree with your recommendations.
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As to the title, there is nothing dumb about asking intelligent questions before you spend over 40 thousand dollars. Asking them shows forethought that is sometimes rare in car buying.
You're on the right track only need a little bit of convincing. A $7500 tax rebate and 3-yr free charging at EA, it's a win-win deal. Can't go wrong with that.I‘m thinking about purchasing an ID.4. I live in Sioux Falls SD. We have a 1 car garage that my wife uses, so my home charger would have to be outside. Would there be any issue with a home charger charging outside during the winter? Second issue looking at Charge America there are no CA chargers in South Dakota, so I would not benefit with the 3 year free charging but maybe use that to lower the price. And checking South Dakota has very few fast chargers in the state. For a lot of my longer trips they would be to Iowa and Minnesota, again no or very few Charge America chargers.
What do you think good idea or bad? Anybody with experience with BEV cars in South Dakota.
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