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This is a thread for those looking at both the ID.4 and Model Y who want to compare/discuss them. I had a Model Y reservation for a long time, but canceled it and now have a reservation for the ID.4 FE. Anybody else looking at both?
 

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This is a thread for those looking at both the ID.4 and Model Y who want to compare/discuss them. I had a Model Y reservation for a long time, but canceled it and now have a reservation for the ID.4 FE. Anybody else looking at both?
Thanks for creating the new thread. I am also interested in eldecarlo's observations. Like you, I had a Model Y reservation, but canceled it in favor of an ID.4. Quality issues and my proximity to a Tesla service center motivated that decision. I would find the issues you experienced with your Model 3 unacceptable were the dealership across the street, let alone two hours away. I am cautiously optimistic the ID.4 will prove me right, but the software issues with the ID.3 have me more than a little worried.
 

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I am in that camp. I currently own a Model 3 for the past 2½ years (and love it but have not had any of the issues some other members on this board have had).

We are looking to replace my wife's Outback and we will definitely be getting another EV. We really like the ID.4 but the Model Y range and Tesla's Supercharger network are really compelling.

We have done several long trips with the 3 and trips are no-brainers with the Tesla network. The Outback (and the ID.4) will be used mostly around town and for trips to the mountains (Mammoth Lakes - 300 miles each way and Big Bear - 125 miles). There are several EA sites on the way to each destination, however, all the sites have 4 CCS chargers vs the Superchargers that easily have 20-40 chargers at each location. For now the EA sites are not very busy but that will quickly change as more long-range EVs come on the market.

We have an AWD reservation so no need to decide until mid-2021. Once the ID.4 is available, the plan is to test drive both cars to get a side-by-side feel.
 
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I am in that camp. I currently own a Model 3 for the past 2½ years (and love it but have not had any of the issues some other members on this board have had).

We are looking to replace my wife's Outback and we will definitely be getting another EV. We really like the ID.4 but the Model Y range and Tesla's Supercharger network are really compelling.

We have done several long trips with the 3 and trips are no-brainers with the Tesla network. The Outback (and the ID.4) will be used mostly around town and for trips to the mountains (Mammoth Lakes - 300 miles each way and Big Bear - 125 miles). There are several EA sites on the way to each destination, however, all the sites have 4 CCS chargers vs the Superchargers that easily have 20-40 chargers at each location. For now the EA sites are not very busy but that will quickly change as more long-range EVs come on the market.

We have an AWD reservation so no need to decide until mid-2021. Once the ID.4 is available, the plan is to test drive both cars to get a side-by-side feel.
I totally get it. I love the whole Tesla concept and applaud all the company has done for the EV marketplace, but I'm pragmatic enough to have not subscribed to the cult-like following that Elon Musk has cultivated. I work hard for my money and don't mind cross-shopping non-competitive EVs to get the best bang for my buck, factoring in a certain nerd quotient to go with it. All of your observations are spot-on. An ID.4 will be my third EV. Both my 2012 Nissan Leaf and 2016 BMW i3 had ranges of less than 100 miles, so while massive range is attractive, I'm not sure I'd use it if I had it. I've certainly learned how to plan ahead!
 

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I totally get it. I love the whole Tesla concept and applaud all the company has done for the EV marketplace, but I'm pragmatic enough to have not subscribed to the cult-like following that Elon Musk has cultivated.
Agree 100%. The cult-like following and fan-boy mentality is off-putting. Any dissenting opinion on their forums will get you lambasted (nervous they will revoke by membership by just making comment here :) ).
 

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Agree 100%. The cult-like following and fan-boy mentality is off-putting. Any dissenting opinion on their forums will get you lambasted (nervous they will revoke by membership by just making comment here :) ).
Hopefully we don't land on anyone's enemies list. All cars are built to a budget and, let's face it, the automotive industry harbors no monopoly on purity, quite the contrary. I won't be offended if someone equates my ID.4 order to Dieselgate, but they shouldn't bristle at the fact that as technologically advanced as Teslas are, there are some glaring issues that remain unresolved. Each of us will ultimately qualify or disqualify a given vehicle based on our own tolerance for their shortcomings. Pretending they don't have any is unrealistic.
 

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I'm also cross-shopping the Model Y. My problem is that a Model Y equipped how I want it (LR AWD, Midnight Silver Metallic, 19" wheels, tow hitch, black-and-white interior) costs about $4k more than an ID.4 Pro AWD w/Statement and Gradient. Factor in the $7,500 Federal tax credit (which I will qualify for), and that effective price difference grows to ~$12,000. That is nothing to sneeze at, regardless of whether or not I can afford the Model Y (which I can). I also really don't like that the Model Y doesn't have a retractable shade for the glass roof. I don't like the heat haha. Everything else about the Model Y I can get behind, the tech, the Supercharger network, etc. Not a fan of the Tesla fanboys, though. I personally know too many of them and they're quite obnoxious! Also not a fan of the quality issues that are still way too common in my opinion.
 

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I can thank the Tesla M3 for getting me interested in an EV. The more I learn about Tesla practices, build quality and the fact that the nearest dealer is 2 states and just over 200 miles away makes the Tesla a no deal for me. The size of the ID.4 is just about perfect for us and our 2 dogs. Still, I'm looking forward to reading eldecarlo's observations of his Tesla test drive.
 

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I'm also cross-shopping the Model Y. My problem is that a Model Y equipped how I want it (LR AWD, Midnight Silver Metallic, 19" wheels, tow hitch, black-and-white interior) costs about $4k more than an ID.4 Pro AWD w/Statement and Gradient. Factor in the $7,500 Federal tax credit (which I will qualify for), and that effective price difference grows to ~$12,000. That is nothing to sneeze at, regardless of whether or not I can afford the Model Y (which I can). I also really don't like that the Model Y doesn't have a retractable shade for the glass roof. I don't like the heat haha. Everything else about the Model Y I can get behind, the tech, the Supercharger network, etc. Not a fan of the Tesla fanboys, though. I personally know too many of them and they're quite obnoxious! Also not a fan of the quality issues that are still way too common in my opinion.
Totally with you on the shade for the pano roof. One of a number of features I was happy to see on the ID.4.
 

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I also really don't like that the Model Y doesn't have a retractable shade for the glass roof. I don't like the heat haha.
I had that concern when I bought my 3 but it really is a non-issue. I am in Los Angeles with plenty of days over 100° and have a black car; with pre-conditioning, just turn it on a few minutes before getting to the car and the car is a cool 70° when I get to it. Also, the glass roof if fairly dark so not sure if makes much of a difference vs the heat from the other windows.
 

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I had that concern when I bought my 3 but it really is a non-issue. I am in Los Angeles with plenty of days over 100° and have a black car; with pre-conditioning, just turn it on a few minutes before getting to the car and the car is a cool 70° when I get to it. Also, the glass roof if fairly dark so not sure if makes much of a difference vs the heat from the other windows.
I haven't noticed too much heat transfer, either. But sometimes it's a little bright in the cabin in direct sunlight and I like the option to close the shade. Maybe that's because I live in Ohio and forget what sunshine is like during the winter.
 

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I have been looking at a lot of EVs to replace my RAV4 EV. The RAV4 has tons of room and most EVs on the market are either too small or too expensive.

The Model Y just didn't cut it in terms of storage space with the sloped back end. I'm also not a fan of the single-screen interface. Those are the main reasons, but Tesla quality control makes me a bit nervous. I had issues with my Tesla-made parts in the RAV4, the motor crapped out and it took months to get a replacement. The articles I'm seeing online about Model Y issues don't add much to my confidence.

I just bailed on a Volvo XC40 reservation, so right now, it looks like the ID.4 is the one. It seems like it has enough room, I like the square back. So I put in my deposit and will wait and see.
 

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I have held onto my LR RWD model y reservation since day 1 of the reservations. I also have a reservation for the FE ID.4 both deposits are refundable, so why not keep my options open. I need a car next month but am willing to wait a bit due to covid. Frankly I keep leaning back and forth between the two. The ID4 is less expensive after rebates, but I can get a similar range from a model 3 for the same price after rebates... The Y has longer range and a faster and better charging network. I want to use it for family camping trips so the range chargers can be a big factor. The ID4 comes with a hitch... So better suited for camping out of the box though. Right now I'm thinking to pick up the ID4 and tax rebate, then years in the future get the Y or cyber truck when my ICE car finally dies and is not worth repairing anymore.
 

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I was looking at a number of electric cars, including the Y and ID.4. One day I'll get around to writing up the whole story...

The Y doesn't make the cut because of price. I've been waiting for a $45,000 Y model (say, LR RWD or SR RWD), and if it existed I'd have been hard pressed to justify the lack of tax rebate with supercharger network and superior technology, and maybe better resale value if data for 3 year old M3s can be extrapolated . Mind you, I could afford a $60,000 car if I wanted (hello Polestar 2). I just can't bring myself to spend that much on a depreciating asset when a much cheaper one will do the job quite well. If VW had brought the ID.3 to the US I'd been all over it. Then along comes the ID.4 with a really compelling package at a great price, and I was in.
 

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I test drove the Y and was thinking about the possibility of it being my next car. However I wanted the red with white interior and tow package and that puts the price at 60k. I want a car closer to 45k ideally, never spent more than that.
Following are issues for me as well
  • screen for the roof. Being a dog person this is of particular concern.
  • no carplay. A biggie for me because of some apps I use.
  • single huge screen with nothing behind the steering wheel or other controls. The steering has some contextual buttons
  • no heated steering wheel
  • lackluster interior choices - just black or white
  • reports of quality issues
  • no satellite radio - I use this but it’s less of an issue for me if it’s not there but the bigger thing is that Musk is getting rid of everything because he imagines a fully connected universe with starlink and the revenues from that in the car for connected services. That’s why no Apple, Android, or xm. You have to buy into his vision for the world.

The car handles really well and is fun to drive and the autopilot works pretty well but the fact that I’ve to compromise some important things at a premium price is an issue. I’d rather own TSLA for now than a car. :)

I should add, their mapping is great on the nice big screen and the trip planning is awesome with charging included and I’d probably miss that on the ID.4.
 

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Well, I tested the Model Y today. First, let me say if I’ve offended anyone by bringing up Tesla, it was not my intention. The reason this all started was because I was concerned about the heat pump issue and some other things. Then, my wife and I spoke about changing our reservation from a 1st to an AWD Pro S. When I spoke to VW about making the change, they told me we are looking at the 3rd quarter for delivery. So I didn’t change it because it appears we have some time? Since the AWD Pro S puts me at 49k and change, I decided to look at other options which led me to the Model Y. Yes, the tax rebate is enticing but not the end all be all.
As for the Model Y, it was unbelievable. The shear power and handling was unprecedented. I’ve heard about the quality issues, but also heard everything gets resolved by Tesla. I have a service center 5 minutes from my house. That is a plus. I still don’t know what I’m doing because of justifying the extra spending and not knowing how the ID.4 drives. Probably will change reservation and wait it out a little. Maybe a demo will be a available in a month or 2.
 

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Well, I tested the Model Y today. First, let me say if I’ve offended anyone by bringing up Tesla, it was not my intention. The reason this all started was because I was concerned about the heat pump issue and some other things. Then, my wife and I spoke about changing our reservation from a 1st to an AWD Pro S. When I spoke to VW about making the change, they told me we are looking at the 3rd quarter for delivery. So I didn’t change it because it appears we have some time? Since the AWD Pro S puts me at 49k and change, I decided to look at other options which led me to the Model Y. Yes, the tax rebate is enticing but not the end all be all.
As for the Model Y, it was unbelievable. The shear power and handling was unprecedented. I’ve heard about the quality issues, but also heard everything gets resolved by Tesla. I have a service center 5 minutes from my house. That is a plus. I still don’t know what I’m doing because of justifying the extra spending and not knowing how the ID.4 drives. Probably will change reservation and wait it out a little. Maybe a demo will be a available in a month or 2.
I’m glad you liked it. Was that the first EV you’ve driven? Maybe some of the wow factor was the EV experience. I have been impressed with every EV I’ve driven: the Bolt, Leaf and Model 3 and S. Not all have the same acceleration, but all were enjoyable in their own way. I’m looking forward to seeing how the ID.4 drives. I think VW will probably do a good job with the handling. RWD is a plus for me over the Bolt and Leaf.
 

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No, I drove a Model S several years ago in Florida. It was the long range not the performance. Maybe my memory is bad? I’m hoping to drive the ID before I make a decision. Both RWD and AWD if it’s possible.
 

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Interesting if that the Y was more impressive to you than the S. If you decide to hold wait for the AWD ID.4 the you should have the chance to drive both. I’m pretty well sold on the 1st Edition but will try to drive before buying.
 

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I was very impressed with the handling. I don’t know that there was much difference or if it was not noticeable with acceleration? Plus, like I said that was several years ago.
 
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