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I just watched the livestream of the Audi eTron GT intro, which started at noon ET. The first 15 min were useless crap, before the car made an appearance, but there was a throw-away line that was easy to miss, saying that the next EV introduction would be in April. Q4 eTron? We have only had hints that April would be the date, but this is pretty public indication that it WILL be April, so if the FE's show up in March we won't have the luxury of having data on the Q4 eTron before pulling the pin. Stopped watching the livestream about 20 min in, so that I could come back later and skip over the fluff in the intro for any interesting bits.
 

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I just watched the livestream of the Audi eTron GT intro, which started at noon ET. The first 15 min were useless crap, before the car made an appearance, but there was a throw-away line that was easy to miss, saying that the next EV introduction would be in April. Q4 eTron? We have only had hints that April would be the date, but this is pretty public indication that it WILL be April, so if the FE's show up in March we won't have the luxury of having data on the Q4 eTron before pulling the pin. Stopped watching the livestream about 20 min in, so that I could come back later and skip over the fluff in the intro for any interesting bits.
Yes, has to be the Q4 he was referring to.

As to the presentation, for a one-hour show it is remarkable how little information was revealed!
 

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I was left wondering who the target audience was/is? It certainly wasn't anyone trying to decide if they wanted to buy one. That apart, it's a beautiful sedan; but seems to continue with about 50 miles too little range for it's price class. I wonder if it will come with the eTron MMI, which is not viewed as up to par for the best. This will be a question for the ID.4 too. We are all hoping that it is "good to go" when it finally shows up. If that is what all the delays have been about, it better be good because if not, VW may never recover.
 

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I honestly expect at least 6-12 months of beta testing software until it is fully usable. That means at least 3-4 trips to dealership to get the code upgraded and fixed. If eTron is any indication, it took 2 revisions to make an already mature system more stable. ID.4 is coming with a new platform for a new car, so I expect more mess there. Also, it seems that any firmware changes at the engine and battery level still will require a trip to the dealership. OTA might work for now only for infotainment system.
 

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I honestly expect at least 6-12 months of beta testing software until it is fully usable. That means at least 3-4 trips to dealership to get the code upgraded and fixed. If eTron is any indication, it took 2 revisions to make an already mature system more stable. ID.4 is coming with a new platform for a new car, so I expect more mess there. Also, it seems that any firmware changes at the engine and battery level still will require a trip to the dealership. OTA might work for now only for infotainment system.
I expect, perhaps naively, that once 2.1 is released there will be no more trips to the dealership for software updates. Bugs will remain, sure, but they will be fixed over the air.
 

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My last chat with some of the beta testers in Germany indicates the software model is intended to follow eTron model, i.e., engine and battery firmware done at dealership in controller conditions, everything else via OTA. I hope they are just full of it ...
 

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My last chat with some of the beta testers in Germany indicates the software model is intended to follow eTron model, i.e., engine and battery firmware done at dealership in controller conditions, everything else via OTA. I hope they are just full of it ...
Me too.
 

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Seeing the inside of the E-Tron GT I wonder if the Q4 is going to be similar with switch gear for heated seats and climate control. That may be a good way to get customers interested in the Tesla Model Y that don't want just a center screen. It would also separate it from the ID.4.
 

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Here are a couple of spy photos on the inside of the Q4 from Carscoops. Looks similar to prototype shown in 2019. Which I also included for reference.

note: just noticed it looks like regen paddles in front of the wheel.

Look forward to seeing more info on the Q4 next month.

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It's great to gain this insight and every once in awhile I am tempted to await the Q4.

However let's be reminded that it's a good deal bigger than the Rav4-competing ID.4. And much more expensive for the Audi luxury and tech touches. Also that the Q4 is the one meant to compete against the Tesla Model Y, and not the ID.4.
 

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Would Audi have a separate limit for the tax credit? Or would it be for the VW group (VW, Audi, Porsche) combined?
 

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Would Audi have a separate limit for the tax credit? Or would it be for the VW group (VW, Audi, Porsche) combined?
The various VAG subsidiaries are counted separately for purposes of EV tax credits. See here, also for a good overview of just how far below the current 200,000 limit both are.
 

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It's great to gain this insight and every once in awhile I am tempted to await the Q4.

However let's be reminded that it's a good deal bigger than the Rav4-competing ID.4. And much more expensive for the Audi luxury and tech touches. Also that the Q4 is the one meant to compete against the Tesla Model Y, and not the ID.4.
Why do you think it will be bigger? Everything points Toit being essentially the same size as ID.4, with same motor setup and battery capacity. For sure it will be more expensive, but I don't think it will have markedly better performance.
 

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Preliminary info I saw was that the Q4 was expected to be between the Q5 and Q7 (despite the "4" naming convention) in size and thereby larger than the ID.4. 🤷‍♂️

btw: I've been on the Audi Q4 email list since it was first announced but have not received anything on it. Perhaps they want to see how well the ID.4 does?

Why do you think it will be bigger? Everything points Toit being essentially the same size as ID.4, with same motor setup and battery capacity. For sure it will be more expensive, but I don't think it will have markedly better performance.
 

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FWIW, I got the e-Tron's dimensions from ev-database.org (presumably from the concept), and here's how they compare:

Length: 180.7 (e-Tron) vs. 180.5 (ID.4)
Width: 74.8 vs. 72.9
Height: 63.4 vs. 64.4
Wheelbase: 109.1 vs. 108.9

So if accurate, the e-Tron is an inch shorter, two inches wider, and about the same length and wheelbase as the ID.4.
 

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Preliminary info I saw was that the Q4 was expected to be between the Q5 and Q7 (despite the "4" naming convention) in size and thereby larger than the ID.4. 🤷‍♂️

btw: I've been on the Audi Q4 email list since it was first announced but have not received anything on it. Perhaps they want to see how well the ID.4 does?
Q4 is smaller in all external dimensions than the Q5, based on Audi's specification for the concept here, and comparing to the Q5 dimensions listed here. I think I recall a comparison saying the Q4 would be bigger internally, due to the different platform (just like the ID.3/4 are apparently bigger internally than their external dimensions would indicate).
 
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