[Mark Magiera]

OK, so in driving my ID4:FE around, I was thinking about the Auto Hold function & how it is not available in US models. Blah blah blah/ hand wringing/ fist held high with angry emojis. That's not what this post is about.

I define Auto Hold as when you are driving & brake to a full stop. Upon lifting your foot off the brake pedal, the car does not roll. Yes? Agree? Or when in Neutral the car does not roll unless you tap the brake. Why anyone would want an auto hold in neutral is beyond me, but I digress.

So, the other day I was driving with Cruise Control. Front Assist active. The car ahead of me was driving faster than my cruise setting. So the icon of the vehicle disappeared (car was not tracking it). I could see the car the whole time.

In my situation, the car ahead of me stopped at a traffic light. Since the car was at a FULL stop, the Front Assist does not recognize the car ahead of you in the lane. It may as well be a wall. *NOTE: this is also how it works in my e-Golf. I am very use to this system & its limitations. As a result, I had to step on the brake to stop the car. Upon coming to a stop directly behind the car. IF I let my foot off the brake, auto creep occurs. If Auto creep is off, the car will roll forward or backwards.

HOWEVER &, here is my point. If you watch your forward display (while at a full stop), that car icon that the Front Assist was tracking appears for a few seconds & in a grey outline. IF you click the Resume button on the Cruise Control: the icon immediately turns green. Upon which, when you lift your foot, the car AUTO HOLDS.

And...... It will not move. In fact when the light turns green & the car in front of you moves forward & away, the car HOLDS until you step on the accelerator.

If this is not Auto Hold, I dunno what else more you would need. All it takes is a button push & paying attention. Or is it that the masses who want Auto Hold, want to do so without pushing a button & paying attention?

Thoughts?

 

[Huey52]

I'm one of those antiques ("control freaks?") who never even uses Cruise Control, so this 'workaround' is lost on me, but I do appreciate your insight.
And oh, btw, I don't want Auto Hold in Neutral either.

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HOWEVER &, here is my point. If you watch your forward display (while at a full stop), that car icon that the Front Assist was tracking appears for a few seconds & in a grey outline. IF you click the Resume button on the Cruise Control: the icon immediately turns green. Upon which, when you lift your foot, the car AUTO HOLDS.

And...... It will not move. In fact when the light turns green & the car in front of you moves forward & away, the car HOLDS until you step on the accelerator.

If this is not Auto Hold, I dunno what else more you would need. All it takes is a button push & paying attention. Or is it that the masses who want Auto Hold, want to do so without pushing a button & paying attention?

Thoughts?

 

[NeoFrank]

OK, so in driving my ID4:FE around, I was thinking about the Auto Hold function & how it is not available in US models. Blah blah blah/ hand wringing/ fist held high with angry emojis. That's not what this post is about.

I define Auto Hold as when you are driving & brake to a full stop. Upon lifting your foot off the brake pedal, the car does not roll. Yes? Agree? Or when in Neutral the car does not roll unless you tap the brake. Why anyone would want an auto hold in neutral is beyond me, but I digress.

So, the other day I was driving with Cruise Control. Front Assist active. The car ahead of me was driving faster than my cruise setting. So the icon of the vehicle disappeared (car was not tracking it). I could see the car the whole time.

In my situation, the car ahead of me stopped at a traffic light. Since the car was at a FULL stop, the Front Assist does not recognize the car ahead of you in the lane. It may as well be a wall. *NOTE: this is also how it works in my e-Golf. I am very use to this system & its limitations. As a result, I had to step on the brake to stop the car. Upon coming to a stop directly behind the car. IF I let my foot off the brake, auto creep occurs. If Auto creep is off, the car will roll forward or backwards.

HOWEVER &, here is my point. If you watch your forward display (while at a full stop), that car icon that the Front Assist was tracking appears for a few seconds & in a grey outline. IF you click the Resume button on the Cruise Control: the icon immediately turns green. Upon which, when you lift your foot, the car AUTO HOLDS.

And...... It will not move. In fact when the light turns green & the car in front of you moves forward & away, the car HOLDS until you step on the accelerator.

If this is not Auto Hold, I dunno what else more you would need. All it takes is a button push & paying attention. Or is it that the masses who want Auto Hold, want to do so without pushing a button & paying attention?

Thoughts?

Try parallel parking on an incline. Let your foot off of the brake, and the car rolls into the car in front before you have time to tap the accelerator to move in reverse. When backing into a tight space (I live in downtown Baltimore), there's little room for back and forth, and the roll eats up some of that maneuverability.

 

[mochalatte]

Yeah, this poor man's auto hold has been bounced around here in the past.

You don't even need a car in front of you. Simply press the SET button at the stop light and you will stay still. Technically, you have just set the ACC to 15 mph, and if you press RESUME the car will accelerate to 15 mph. Better yet, while you are stopped you can use the up arrow to change the target speed so you can move it up to 45 mph or whatever you want while still sitting still. When the light turns green, hit RESUME and you will accelerate up to that speed whether or not there's a car in front of you.

 

[Don]

If this is not Auto Hold, I dunno what else more you would need. All it takes is a button push & paying attention. Or is it that the masses who want Auto Hold, want to do so without pushing a button & paying attention?

Thoughts?

It's not auto hold - It's a function of the cruise control

I too got to thinking about this while waiting in a long line at the base to pick up some medications. It was a slight uphill incline and every time I took my foot off the brake, the car would roll back about a foot before I pressed the accelerator enough to stop it. A functioning auto hold would eliminate this problem and it wouldn't depend on the cruise control to do it

The original 'auto hold' (called the Hill Holder Brake by Studebaker) didn't do anything about the car rolling forward - It was all about rolling backwards into the car behind you. When you took your foot off the brake to engage the clutch while aimed downhill, the car rolled forward and helped you get moving as you released the clutch

Don

 

[surprising]

I've modified poor man's auto hold slightly. While in B mode decelerating to a stop behind a car at a light, I'll hit the travel assist button while still moving. It will see the car in front, slow down, and stop without any use of the brake pedal. I've never encountered the issue mentioned by the OP where the travel assist can't see unmoving cars in front of you.

 

[Kitt]

All it takes is a button push & paying attention

And that's the issue right there. The car should take care it, not the driver pushing buttons and paying attention. That the system doesn't see a car stopping at a traffic light (even though it was tracking the very same car moments ago) makes me think Travel Assist isn't the safest option in the city.

What I have experienced: sometimes the car sometimes does auto-hold on an incline. The car holds the brake and releases it when I drive off (I can hear it release). I haven't figured out what the pattern is (only steep inclines? The time I held the brake pedal? I have no idea). Other times, the car crept up the hill. One time I even experienced the car even backed up. That was really scary. I double checked by releasing the brake a second time to confirm that happened. I was going downhill and the car somehow wanted to go uphill in reverse, even though the car was in B mode. It seems VW's artificial creep logic is a bit too smart for its own good.

I hope VW's engineers will some day drive the Volvo Recharge XC40. There's not much I like about the Volvo, but one thing they did really well: one pedal driving with auto-hold.

 

[d287]

That’s similar to our Subaru Outback this car replaced. ACC will slow to a stop and hold if you’re following a car.

 

[daikon]

After driving a car with auto hold, I do not feel like this is a good substitution. Especially since this is a software issue that could be enabled.

I share great optimism about this car, just not on this point. Although given that it is an option that is in our menu, it seems it could just be "enabled" so I am optomistic about that.

 

[Nai3t]

VW has noted on a Powerpoint slide (which is almost as good as in writing) that "they're listening" and "auto-hold is coming" so let's give it an update or two, fingers crossed.