[sparkyr]

I'm wondering if the AWDs' dual motors are always on or does the front motor disengage or coast when just cruising down the highway? This would extend the ID.4's range, if it's possible. If both always active, it would seem that the front motor at 100+ HP would add 50% more demand than the rear motor at 200+ HP at a given speed. I don't recall seeing VW's official range number for the AWDs to compare to the FWD's 230 miles, but it's generally said to be somewhat lower.

 

[SunWizard]

The demand at a given speed will not be 50% higher, it will only be that different under full acceleration. Some Tesla models got higher range on the highway when they added AWD, due to they run the 2 motors at a more efficient point on the RPM versus torque curve than the 1 bigger motor. We won't know on the ID.4 until the AWD gets into the hands of the independent reviewers. The highway range depends mostly on wind resistance plus rolling resistance. The rolling resistance will be slightly higher due to the extra 100 pounds of weight. I expect the AWD highway range to be 220 to 225, or about 5% less than the RWD model.

Note the size of your wheels makes more of a difference than 5%. On some tesla models, going with 1-2" larger rims cuts your range by 80 miles! I would like to see some reviewers compare that on the ID.4 wheel sizes. Its such a big factor that tesla now reports the range difference on their website when you choose between wheels.

 

[PoRscheTek]

Sunwizard is spot on. I do look forward to seeing if there is a range increase between the FE and the Pro S as two reasons I opted to not get FE was the white steering wheel and the bigger wheels over just a a Pro S.

 

[NoMoFossil]

I am wondering if the addition of the front drivetrain would change the small turning circle.

 

[PoRscheTek]

I am wondering if the addition of the front drivetrain would change the small turning circle.

Very interesting question. I’d wager it will as now you have the axles that can’t articulate at those amazing angles for such a small radius.

 

[ixlr08]

I am wondering if the addition of the front drivetrain would change the small turning circle.

Yes, AWD cars will have a larger turning radius by about 1.5 ft from what I have read.

 

[salant76]

The demand at a given speed will not be 50% higher, it will only be that different under full acceleration. Some Tesla models got higher range on the highway when they added AWD, due to they run the 2 motors at a more efficient point on the RPM versus torque curve than the 1 bigger motor. We won't know on the ID.4 until the AWD gets into the hands of the independent reviewers. The highway range depends mostly on wind resistance plus rolling resistance. The rolling resistance will be slightly higher due to the extra 100 pounds of weight. I expect the AWD highway range to be 220 to 225, or about 5% less than the RWD model.

Note the size of your wheels makes more of a difference than 5%. On some tesla models, going with 1-2" larger rims cuts your range by 80 miles! I would like to see some reviewers compare that on the ID.4 wheel sizes. Its such a big factor that tesla now reports the range difference on their website when you choose between wheels.

The official EPA number of 250 miles is for the FE with 20 inch wheels right? Seems like the Pro and Pro S with 19" would get a 10-20+ mile range bump right? Maybe that will offset a lot the lost range to do the additional motor in the AWD system.

With the release of the Audi Q4 mid-April I would hope that VW will provide more info on range and any other possible changes with the AWD version of the ID.4 around the same time period. If they do not, when I have my VW demo drive of the ID.4 in another 4 weeks I will try to get some answers from VW. Yes, I have driven the ID.4 already but would like to drive it again. Plus I kind of enjoy bugging car manufactures with lots of questions when I can.

 

[SunWizard]

The official EPA number of 250 miles is for the FE with 20 inch wheels right? Seems like the Pro and Pro S with 19" would get a 10-20+ mile range bump right? Maybe that will offset a lot the lost range to do the additional motor in the AWD system.

With the release of the Audi Q4 mid-April I would hope that VW will provide more info on range and any other possible changes with the AWD version of the ID.4 around the same time period. If they do not, when I have my VW demo drive of the ID.4 in another 4 weeks I will try to get some answers from VW. Yes, I have driven the ID.4 already but would like to drive it again. Plus I kind of enjoy bugging car manufactures with lots of questions when I can.

They don't say that the current 250 is only the 20" wheels, but I agree with your guess of +20 or more since Tesla's numbers differ by much more than that.
Maybe this is why VW has stated EPA range lower than they could have, to avoid the possible confusion of a varied number on RWD vs AWD and then the 2 different wheels sizes on each. One good thing is the large number of independent reviewers who can get us the answers. And then it still comes down to who do you believe among them?

I agree with the fun of asking them lots of questions, but I don't expect to get many answers and that removes some of the fun.

 

[ixlr08]

I agree with the fun of asking them lots of questions, but I don't expect to get many answers and that removes some of the fun.

I enjoy asking questions of the dealer/VW, but I find more often than not they either don't know the answer or they give a wrong answer. Surprisingly, my ID.4 salesperson seems interested in learning the correct answer, which I enjoy providing him.

 

[ericy]

I enjoy asking questions of the dealer/VW, but I find more often than not they either don't know the answer or they give a wrong answer. Surprisingly, my ID.4 salesperson seems interested in learning the correct answer, which I enjoy providing him.

They are going through a learning process, the same as we are, and different people have different learning styles. The specialist at my dealer wanted to take the demo home so she could see how it did at night, but her manager nixed that idea.

 

[ixlr08]

They are going through a learning process, the same as we are, and different people have different learning styles. The specialist at my dealer wanted to take the demo home so she could see how it did at night, but her manager nixed that idea.

I was referring to all the dealers I have dealt with over the last 45 years. The salesman I am now dealing with seems different from the rest.

 

[salant76]

They don't say that the current 250 is only the 20" wheels, but I agree with your guess of +20 or more since Tesla's numbers differ by much more than that.
Maybe this is why VW has stated EPA range lower than they could have, to avoid the possible confusion of a varied number on RWD vs AWD and then the 2 different wheels sizes on each. One good thing is the large number of independent reviewers who can get us the answers. And then it still comes down to who do you believe among them?

I agree with the fun of asking them lots of questions, but I don't expect to get many answers and that removes some of the fun.

I figure if you don't ask you will not get an answer (they never seem to want to give you extra info at all). The worst case the say no. When I checked out the Volvo C40 yesterday I asked them to sit in the car. They said no. Then I asked can I at least check out the inside and take some pictures they said yes to it. Which if I had not asked they would have offered. Glad I did because I had no idea how bright blue the carpets and interior bits where since the (3) videos I have seen really didn't show the interior well (the videos all seemed to be in poorly lit areas).

 

[gorj]

I figure if you don't ask you will not get an answer (they never seem to want to give you extra info at all). The worst case the say no. When I checked out the Volvo C40 yesterday I asked them to sit in the car. They said no. Then I asked can I at least check out the inside and take some pictures they said yes to it. Which if I had not asked they would have offered. Glad I did because I had no idea how bright blue the carpets and interior bits where since the (3) videos I have seen really didn't show the interior well (the videos all seemed to be in poorly lit areas).

That is to bad about the Volvo dealer. Our local dealer is happy to give demo drives. If they don't, how are they going to sell them? Personally I can not see paying so much for a vehicle that only has 200 mile range. My local VW dealer sales person is really up on the ID4. Has answered all my questions except one - why did VW leave off the Homelink mirror? Even my Hyundai Ioniq has it and my 15 year old Mercedes has it! Personally, I think VW did that so they could sell it as an after market accessory.