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Breaking news: Future Ford EVs Will Be Equipped With Tesla Charging Port

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This is huge news and shows how desperate legacy automakers are to ramp up their EV market:

Future Ford EVs Will Be Equipped With Tesla Charging Port

I guess Tesla will keep controlling the bulk of charging market in US.
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I guess arrogance and ineptitude of Electrify America finally paid off!
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It's not a bad move. Tesla is essentially a bilingual CCS car with a different port, and Tesla Superchargers speak CCS, so this is more akin to installing dual charging ports on Ford vehicles (like the Audi e-Tron option) rather than dual charging protocols. The gymnastics are going to be on the billing side, and I hope that's a low hurdle to clear.

It will certainly give anxious EV owners a lot more confidence to road trip their vehicles and hopefully promote more sales to the fence sitters. Maybe give the EAs and EVgos and this ChargeX consortium a kick in the rear, too.
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agzand said:
This is huge news and shows how desperate legacy automakers are to ramp up their EV market:

Future Ford EVs Will Be Equipped With Tesla Charging Port

I guess Tesla will keep controlling the bulk of charging market in US.
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agzand said:
This is huge news and shows how desperate legacy automakers are to ramp up their EV market:

Future Ford EVs Will Be Equipped With Tesla Charging Port

I guess Tesla will keep controlling the bulk of charging market in US.
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You mean one legacy auto maker might be desperate? Quite the generalization. My guess is CCS will be the industry standard.
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Well I bought my last Ford(actually Mercury) product in 1998. I see no reason to repeat that mistake.
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Nai3t said:
It's not a bad move. Tesla is essentially a bilingual CCS car with a different port, and Tesla Superchargers speak CCS, so this is more akin to installing dual charging ports on Ford vehicles (like the Audi e-Tron option) rather than dual charging protocols. The gymnastics are going to be on the billing side, and I hope that's a low hurdle to clear.

It will certainly give anxious EV owners a lot more confidence to road trip their vehicles and hopefully promote more sales to the fence sitters. Maybe give the EAs and EVgos and this ChargeX consortium a kick in the rear, too.
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The physical connection is not important, the software behind it is the key. Now Ford to some degree will depend on Tesla network for their future EVs. I also think it doesn't make sense to have two ports on the car (it costs $500 or so I guess?)
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You mean one legacy auto maker might be desperate? Quite the generalization. My guess is CCS will be the industry standard.
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Looks like we will have two standards in US. It is too late for one side to win outright. It is not unprecedented, we have gas cars and diesel cars that use different nozzles.

I think with Cha demo dying Japanese manufactures may also be smart to jump on the Tesla NACS bandwagon. They are so behind that they need to use every opportunity to catch up.

If they get one more partner (Toyota or GM or Hyundai) then NACS will remain the de facto standard in North America.
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agzand said:
The physical connection is not important, the software behind it is the key. Now Ford to some degree will depend on Tesla network for their future EVs. I also think it doesn't make sense to have two ports on the car (it costs $500 or so I guess?)
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I think it's Ford hedging their bet in the short term. They've identified the perception of charging problems as a major roadblock to consumers adopting EVs. If it only costs a few hundred dollars to address that concern, it may pay dividends in increased sales.

I still believe CCS is the future and don't think Ford will stick with the strategy for long. In fact, this announcement seems to conflict with Fords recent announcement that they are simplifying their builds, reducing number of wiring harnesses, reducing the number of build combinations, and specifically in the Lightning, reducing the total parts count by about 2,500 components. So I'd bet we see this implemented for a few years until the public charging scene is a bit more ironed out, and then NACS connectors on Ford products will go the way of the Chademo connector on Nissan products.
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Nai3t said:
I think it's Ford hedging their bet in the short term. They've identified the perception of charging problems as a major roadblock to consumers adopting EVs. If it only costs a few hundred dollars to address that concern, it may pay dividends in increased sales.

I still believe CCS is the future and don't think Ford will stick with the strategy for long. In fact, this announcement seems to conflict with Fords recent announcement that they are simplifying their builds, reducing number of wiring harnesses, reducing the number of build combinations, and specifically in the Lightning, reducing the total parts count by about 2,500 components. So I'd bet we see this implemented for a few years until the public charging scene is a bit more ironed out, and then NACS connectors on Ford products will go the way of the Chademo connector on Nissan products.
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The number of NACS chargers installed in the past, being installed now, and planned to be installed in the near future still massively outnumbers CCS. So it is not going to be like Chademo.
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The number of NACS chargers installed in the past, being installed now, and planned to be installed in the near future still massively outnumbers CCS. So it is not going to be like Chademo.
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Not literally, just that if it plays out that way, a Ford with a Tesla connector will at some point be a curio. "Remember when...?"
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This is the first domino. Others will jump on and the Tesla connector will be the standard. I did not believe that would happen before this announcement. Yes this news is THAT huge.

I bought a Tesla because of access to the supercharger network and I would rather have bought something else. Now Ford has the same advantage. Tesla has no need to install any more magic docks. GM, VW, Hyundai/Kia, Volvo, etc. absolutely know how big of a competitive advantage Ford has over them now and they will follow. I do expect a Tesla-to-CCS adapter to be available to everyone eventually, but don't kid yourselves, the strength of the supercharger network will crush CCS.
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Wonder if this move by Tesla & Ford short circuits the federal government requirement that Tesla needs to build out and convert their existing sites to be CCS compatible? No more "Magic Dock" conversions to existing sites now that Ford in on board with the Tesla Connector?

Looks like existing Ford EV's will need to use an adapter in order to charge at existing Tesla Super Charger sites that don't have the Magic Dock.

What prevents a VW ID.4, Ionic 5 or an EV 6 from charging at an existing Tesla Super Charging Site as long as you have an adapter?

Did Ford have to pay a licensing fee to Tesla in order for this instantaneous access to Tesla Super Chargers to occur or is the promise to use the NACS enough to start the charger access?

In order to remain competitive, will VW, GM, Hyundai, etc need to jump to NACS instead of sticking with CCS?

Will EA, EVgo and ChargePoint be forced to go NACS in order to remain relevant?

While this may seem like a benefit for the consumer, think it will be a setback for any OEM or Charger Manufacturer / Network that is invested in CCS. In short, a large upside for Tesla and NACS, big disadvantage for everyone else.

This just throws more confusion into the charging universe for non Tesla EVs.
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Should be interesting how this plays out. We are seeing IKEA and other major retailers making EV charging part of their service offerings. Will all have to support both charging CSS and NACS?
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I see it as a Win-Win. Ford gets to gain access to over 12k chargers and Tesla gets to sell more electricity and will probably make a royalty on the sale of the adapters. The next question is, "Who will be next to follow Ford's lead?" :unsure: :cool:
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How does this jibe with the NEVI requirements?. I said over a year ago when Teslas started using adapters at EA stations that there was nothing preventing a general sale of adapters to ID4 owners. As it is the ability to use any supercharger pretty much kills the need for NEVI in my state for me personally.
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How does this jibe with the NEVI requirements?. I said over a year ago when Teslas started using adapters at EA stations that there was nothing preventing a general sale of adapters to ID4 owners. As it is the ability to use any supercharger pretty much kills the need for NEVI in my state for me personally.
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Tesla needs to allow the electrons flow through the adapter. You cannot just put a Ford adapter on an id4 and expect it to work.
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To the best of my knowledge, the only Tesla to non-Tesla EVs adapters currently available are: "Magic Dock" for L3 charging and Tesla Destination to J-1772 for Level 2 charging. For Ford to be able to connect to a Supercharger, there will need to be an adapter that can handle/supply Level 3 charging - similar to or exactly like a Magic Dock. However, that will likely not be enough as Tesla will also want the user to log on with ITS APP for payment.:cool::unsure:
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MR. Ed of course said:
I see it as a Win-Win. Ford gets to gain access to over 12k chargers and Tesla gets to sell more electricity and will probably make a royalty on the sale of the adapters. The next question is, "Who will be next to follow Ford's lead?" :unsure: :cool:
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Aptera if it ever comes out.
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MR. Ed of course said:
To the best of my knowledge, the only Tesla to non-Tesla EVs adapters currently available are: "Magic Dock" for L3 charging and Tesla Destination to J-1772 for Level 2 charging. For Ford to be able to connect to a Supercharger, there will need to be an adapter that can handle/supply Level 3 charging - similar to or exactly like a Magic Dock. However, that will likely not be enough as Tesla will also want the user to log on with ITS APP for payment.:cool::unsure:
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I think their agreement with Ford means they will enable plug and charge for Ford vehicles. Of course the owner needs to set up an account and pay for charging.
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In the short term, it is just more chaos. People have talked about adapters for ages, and we have yet to see something that we can use on CCS cars.
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How does this jibe with the NEVI requirements?. I said over a year ago when Teslas started using adapters at EA stations that there was nothing preventing a general sale of adapters to ID4 owners. As it is the ability to use any supercharger pretty much kills the need for NEVI in my state for me personally.
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NEVI still wants credit card readers, with no requirement to have an app installed. Unless they relax that requirement, they aren't going to be eligible.
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