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Bye-D4, Hello Q6

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After 3 years on this forum and owning an ID.4, we found a deal we couldn't refuse. A certified pre-owned sub-10K-mile Q6 e-tron Premium Plus Quattro with warm weather package (vented seats, premium audio) for well below $50K. It was a dealer owned car (presumably loaner fleet), and with the CPO it ironically has more warranty than a new model.

Too early to write detailed impressions but it feels like they took the ID.4, and fixed most of my grievances. Just a few big differences:
TL;DR: The Q6 has better range, sound insulation, sound system, and tech, but most surprisingly, much better turn radius. The ID4 has softer suspension and clearly superior seats.



Sound:
1. The car is q-u-i-e-t! It's weird because the ID4 never had noise issues, but the e-tron is like a studio
2. The B&O audio is so-so, but still amazing compared to how awful the ID4s system was once I removed the Kicker Key amp. I find B&O generally way overhyped for what it is, but it has a subwoofer, can reproduce music without distortion. I'm on the fence about the surround effects. It adds a lot of treble and kills the midrange, so I largely turned it off. I'm an audio purist, so IMHO a good system sounds good without touching the EQ. This does need EQ-ing. The speakers in the headrest feel a little gimmicky but might come in handy for navigation instruction.

Infotainment/tech:
1. The head-up display is quite useful. It eliminates the need for a speed gauge. Picks up speed limit signs etc.
2. The OLED main display is very pretty but the base theme is pretty bland.
3. Carplay renders at crisp resolutions and Liquid Glass really looks good here. FYI, IOS 26 has widgets in Carplay and while the ID4 can display one widget at a time, the Q6 has space for 2 widgets. It's awesome!
4. Lane keep assist and safety tech is very similarly favored to the ID4, but slightly more aggressive. The HUD showing safe following distance is very helpful.
5. The car has 4 window openers, a physical volume control knob (!!!!!), and almost all of the flat buttons are actually still buttons that click.
6. Mood lighting is phenomenal, and I like it that the turn signal has its leds that blink.

Seat comfort:
1. The ID.4 wins by quite a large margin. The Q6 doesn't have massage seats on any trim. I find audi seats back-breakingly stiff. I consider the ID.4's seats one of the most comfortable I've ever used.
2. The seat ventilation is OK, it can make things more comfy, but in ~70F weather it wasn't too relevant. The funniest thing was, my wife and I couldn't figure out what is the noise coming from the back until I realized how damn loud the seat went is at max speed:D The jury is still out but the noise might make it less practical than I thought it would be.

Driving dynamics:
1. The Q6 is faaaaaast and effortless. It maxes out the speed I can actually use/enjoy in the city, but on the highway it is glaring that has to monitor speed because the car can sneak up to 85MPH and the cabin remains quiet.
2. The suspension is stiffer than the ID.4 but shares the same characteristics. Perhaps the stiff sensation is due to the seats. Overall it's very similar to the ID.4, just a slightly different flavor.
3. Turning radius is shockingly sharper on the Q6 quattro than on the ID4 AWD. Might be the steering wheel's tuning, but both I and my wife noticed that we tended to oversteer because this car corners way better.

Range
This is where we've never had issues with the ID.4. Our lifetime consumption was 3.1kWh/mi, and we consistently got >3.5mi/kWh on dry weather roadtrips. But, the Q6 is next level. We have it on 82%, and its guess-o-meter shows a 314 mi range left in efficiency mode. Crazy! We scored 3.1 mi/kWh on our way home despite me having some fun with the instant torque.
 
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Enjoy! We test drove a Q6 too and the specs look great, but decided we don’t road trip enough to make the extra range and faster charging curve a meaningful upgrade for us. I may look at the A6 to replace my Polestar when my lease is up, though… I’d love to hear more about the software and how things like driver profiles and Phone as a Key work!
 
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Panoramic sunroof opens, which lost the excitement after 5 minutes, but after my saturday run, the ventilated seat even at the lowest level was great.

About the turning radius, the actual radius overall seem very similar between the cars, but the ID4 seems to be understeering compared to the Q6. Also Q6 has essentially zero body roll I could get.
 
#10 ·
Congratulations. I’m happy for you. IMO, if there’s a BEV CUV that looks better than an ID.4 this might be it. I’ve watched a lot of reviews and don’t recall anyone complaining about the seat firmness, so hopefully this will become something you get used to and don’t even notice. it’s nice that it has a frunk, the DCFC port on the left rear, and a backup J1772 on the sidewalk side.

If you don’t already have them and plan to travel, I’d recommend a NACS to CCS1 adapter and a NACS to J1772 adapter (for Tesla Destination “Chargers”). NACS isn’t just for Superchargers anymore. That’s in addition to a USB-C rechargeable air compressor, tire plug kit, 12V jump start pack, and work gloves, head lamp, and poncho you might already have for the ID.4.

Best wishes for a great experience with the new Audi!
 
#11 ·
Great report, thanks. When it came time to turn my 2021 Pro S AWD in, we shopped the Q6 Prestige vs a 2025 Pro S Plus. It was close, but we went with the Pro S Plus. The comparison between the 2025 ID4 and the Q6 is even closer than you describe. We've found that our 2025 ID4 advertised range (263) is very conservative. We regularly get over 300 in the city and around 280 at highway speeds (75 mph). It is much faster than the 2021, and also more efficient. Where I used to get 2.9 on the highway in the 2021, I now get 3.2 (same road trip, repeatedly).

Having said all that, and being totally pleased with our decision, I often wonder how the Q6 would have been under the same driving conditions ...
 
#12 ·
See? This is what I mean. I've been drooling over the Q6 ever since I watched Björn's videos about it. But now that I know it doesn't have massaging seats in our market, that's a no. The ID.4 has turned me into a softie.

(I think the motorized charge port doors would also annoy me, and the rings on the grille would belie my pseudo-humble persona. But now I'm clearly just consoling myself.)

Got any photos to share?

--Eric
 
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I’ve watched a lot of reviews and don’t recall anyone complaining about the seat firmness, so hopefully this will become something you get used to and don’t even notice.
Thanks! It's a Mercedes/Audi thing. I've always found the seats of these cars quite firm.

it’s nice that it has a frunk, the DCFC port on the left rear, and a backup J1772 on the sidewalk side.
The frunk was nice in an i3 sized vehicle. However, I still don't know what I'd store there when I have a similar space in the trunk already. Frunks are way overrated.

If you don’t already have them and plan to travel, I’d recommend a NACS to CCS1 adapter and a NACS to J1772 adapter (for Tesla Destination “Chargers”).
I have a NACS to J1772 for destination chargers. Since many hotels only have destination chargers, that's the only context I'll use anything Tesla-related. That said, if the dealership gifts me a NACS-CCS1 adapter, I'll gracefully accept it. I have less than zero interest in using SuCs.

Great report, thanks. When it came time to turn my 2021 Pro S AWD in, we shopped the Q6 Prestige vs a 2025 Pro S Plus. It was close, but we went with the Pro S Plus. The comparison between the 2025 ID4 and the Q6 is even closer than you describe. We've found that our 2025 ID4 advertised range (263) is very conservative. We regularly get over 300 in the city and around 280 at highway speeds (75 mph). It is much faster than the 2021, and also more efficient. Where I used to get 2.9 on the highway in the 2021, I now get 3.2 (same road trip, repeatedly).

Having said all that, and being totally pleased with our decision, I often wonder how the Q6 would have been under the same driving conditions ...
We had the same driving experience. We've had multiple roadtrips with 4 mi/kWh consumption. However, looking at the charge/range stats, the guess-o-meter does not seem to consider the phantom charge losses, which were high in the ID4. Jury is still out with the Q6.

See? This is what I mean. I've been drooling over the Q6 ever since I watched Björn's videos about it. But now that I know it doesn't have massaging seats in our market, that's a no. The ID.4 has turned me into a softie.

(I think the motorized charge port doors would also annoy me, and the rings on the grille would belie my pseudo-humble persona. But now I'm clearly just consoling myself.)
The Q6 is very very similar to the ID4. When it comes to online services, a lot of the tech gremlins are shared between the cars. It took me 2 hours to get the digital keys work and get to download apps, etc. But it has a very nice browser and youtube, so overall it's great, but also largely unnecessary. Except for the gym, I bring my laptop everywhere, so unless I could use the car's display as a second screen, it's all redundant.

(I think the motorized charge port doors would also annoy me, and the rings on the grille would belie my pseudo-humble persona. But now I'm clearly just consoling myself.)

Got any photos to share?
I too agree that motorizing the charge door opening is too much, but motorized closing is nice. Something that bugged me a lot with the ID4: I kept forgetting to close the charger door and it didn't remind me until I was already moving.

Photos are coming.
 
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Few more updates:
I ended up buying the software audio "upgrade" and it's really a scam. They purposefully crippled the "stock premium" speakers, just so you buy the "upgrade" that "unfudges" the sound. It actually sounds like an OK premium system afterwards that I can enjoy without cringing (I have a 2.2 KEF Wireless 50 II setup at home and compared to this the car doesn't play ball, but at least it doesn't distort). I'll recoup the cost of the "upgrade" many times over by selling the Kicker Key and the 2 sets of Focals I was planing to instal on the ID4.

What is aa disappointment is that the ambient lighting on its own seems static (not a big deal but a missed opportunity). Audi sells wallpapers for $14 that have matching ambient lights (what a scam:D), but these would have actually been justified if they came with some kind of a slow fading ambient lighting color scheme
 
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Compared to the ID.4, the Q6 gets 4 window switches, 4 wheel disc brakes, a heat pump, and 800V architecture. Neither the Q6 or SQ6 get the Macan EV’s direct TPMS with sensors. The Q6 has one pedal driving (OPD) the ID.4 and the Macan EV don’t, which we discussed extensively in the Brake Dust turned OPD thread.

The Q6 uses a customized version of Android Automotive Operating System (AAOS) developed with Volkswagen Group's software arm, CARIAD, without full Google Automotive Services (GAS) integration like Google Play Store. Instead, it features an integrated app store for third-party apps (e.g., YouTube) and supports Apple CarPlay and Android Auto.
 
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Compared to the ID.4, the Q6 gets 4 window switches, 4 wheel disc brakes, a heat pump, and 800V architecture. Neither the Q6 or SQ6 get the Macan EV’s direct TPMS with sensors. The Q6 has one pedal driving (OPD) the ID.4 and the Macan EV don’t, which we discussed extensively in the Brake Dust turned OPD thread.
We haven't charged it yet. The TPMS looks just as shitty as with the ID4 (e.g., it doesn't seem to show the tire pressure, just uses a relative pressure. We'll see in 4-5 months what it means in action, but it doesn't get me excited.

The Q6 has one pedal driving (OPD) the ID.4 and the Macan EV don’t, which we discussed extensively in the Brake Dust turned OPD thread.
I loved OPD on our i3, but it is much more unpredictable on the Q6 that has 3 driving mode settings Dynamic/Balanced/Efficiency modes and the dynamic, then it has paddles in D-mode to set the recuperation strength, (2-3 settings per mode) and then we have B-mode without apparent option to set recup. B mode is far too aggressive on this one, it's like the brake is pressed continuously so if you adjust your foot for a second it semi-slams the brake. No bueno. D-mode auto hold is also weird, as you have to press the brake a little more to activate it.

The Q6 uses a customized version of Android Automotive Operating System (AAOS) developed with Volkswagen Group's software arm, CARIAD
It's CARID garbage running on better hardware. They didn't get more talented just because the hardware got better:D It can do stuff like the first gen google Nexus Tablet. But Carplay renders better so I don't mind it too much.

Let us know how the wide door handle works for you over time.
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My muscle memory keeps on reaching for the wrong spot for the handle and for the window switches that are farther back than on the ID4. That said, the ID4's door used to press on my leg pretty close to one of the superficial nerves. This doesn't. And guess what! When I pull on the door handle, the door opens 10 out of 10 times!!! What a luxury! (it was less than 5 out of 10 on the ID4...).

(we loved the ID4 the moment it started rolling, but getting in and out of it had been the single most frustrating experience with a car we've ever driven).
 
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We haven't charged it yet. The TPMS looks just as shitty as with the ID4 (e.g., it doesn't seem to show the tire pressure, just uses a relative pressure. We'll see in 4-5 months what it means in action, but it doesn't get me excited.


I loved OPD on our i3, but it is much more unpredictable on the Q6 that has 3 driving mode settings Dynamic/Balanced/Efficiency modes and the dynamic, then it has paddles in D-mode to set the recuperation strength, (2-3 settings per mode) and then we have B-mode without apparent option to set recup. B mode is far too aggressive on this one, it's like the brake is pressed continuously so if you adjust your foot for a second it semi-slams the brake. No bueno. D-mode auto hold is also weird, as you have to press the brake a little more to activate it.


It's CARID garbage running on better hardware. They didn't get more talented just because the hardware got better:D It can do stuff like the first gen google Nexus Tablet. But Carplay renders better so I don't mind it too much.



My muscle memory keeps on reaching for the wrong spot for the handle and for the window switches that are farther back than on the ID4. That said, the ID4's door used to press on my leg pretty close to one of the superficial nerves. This doesn't. And guess what! When I pull on the door handle, the door opens 10 out of 10 times!!! What a luxury! (it was less than 5 out of 10 on the ID4...).

(we loved the ID4 the moment it started rolling, but getting in and out of it had been the single most frustrating experience with a car we've ever driven).
The more you use B mode, the more you’ll get used to it… it’s actually decent for a first attempt at OPD. Nowhere as smooth as my Polestar, when I test drove the Q6, but not bad. Sadly it doesn’t work in reverse and you have to remember to move the shifter twice every time you change it. In my Polestar, OPD setting is a permanent setting stored under each user’s profile. (I love it, my wife still uses two pedals like her ID.4.)
 
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