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Can those of you new ID.4 owners who use CarPlay tell us what you are using for navigation? Are you using built-in navigation, or are you using Apple Maps, Google Maps, Waze, ABRP, or something else? Do any of those non built-in apps have the capability of showing directions on the driver display? And anything else that you can tell us. Thanks.
 

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I know Apple Maps and Google Maps will display on the instrument cluster. @ID.Furkan did a video about that.
 

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I know Apple Maps and Google Maps will display on the instrument cluster. @ID.Furkan did a video about that.
I have used Apple Maps, Google Maps and ABRP. All display on the infotainment system. Apple maps has the added advantage that the next turns will also display on the dashboard display attached to the steering wheel. The internal navigation system has been a disaster for us.
 

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ABRP also displays on the cluster. I think we can all agree that the native nav system leaves much to be desired. It currently knows of a very limited number of places by name, so you have to list full addresses to Hello ID or type them in, and the recognition when typing in does not kick in quickly. The native nav system is probably the worst part of the vehicle.

The map on the infotainment is nice, I guess. Actually, Google Maps and ABRP look better, so even that's a bit of a loss.
 

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To date I've only used the integrated Nav and the Chargepoint App (via CarPlay) for on-screen route guidance and both have worked flawlessly. I used the ChargePoint App in a 'scavenger hunt' for unexpected L2 chargers in my area.
I use the native integrated quite often. But in fairness mostly as an audible reinforcement to directions I've mostly previewed (I most always file a 'flight plan').

So again, I find the native Nav quite good for my [possibly more limited than others] needs, so I am obviously not one of the "all agree." 😉
 

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Taken many trips with CarPlay and here is what I have found:
  • Apple Maps has given the best experience with next turn also on drivers display. It also blends in the audio prompts with playing music.
  • Google Maps is not so good. No matter what I do it YELLS as in the audio has too much gain. Adjusting the volume while it is yelling just makes the overmodulated mess get softer but still over modulated. Additionally it stops background music for audio prompt guidance.
  • Built in is just okay and I have used it a few times. The Hello ID voice Base assistant will not understand most places that I want to go. The nice thing is more info on drivers display like estimated time left, distance. Also the ID Light is used.
  • I am an ABRP subscriber but never really used their Nav as it felt really limited. Need to try it.

I think I would be super happy if somehow Apple Maps could use the ID light.
 

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Taken many trips with CarPlay and here is what I have found:
  • Apple Maps has given the best experience with next turn also on drivers display. It also blends in the audio prompts with playing music.
  • Google Maps is not so good. No matter what I do it YELLS as in the audio has too much gain. Adjusting the volume while it is yelling just makes the overmodulated mess get softer but still over modulated. Additionally it stops background music for audio prompt guidance.
  • Built in is just okay and I have used it a few times. The Hello ID voice Base assistant will not understand most places that I want to go. The nice thing is more info on drivers display like estimated time left, distance. Also the ID Light is used.
  • I am an ABRP subscriber but never really used their Nav as it felt really limited. Need to try it.

I think I would be super happy if somehow Apple Maps could use the ID light.
In the Android world, there is a button on ABRP to "share" the route, and I can share it with the maps app. So if I am using Android Auto on the headunit, the route automatically transfers over. Is there something similar in the Apple world?
 

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In the Android world, there is a button on ABRP to "share" the route, and I can share it with the maps app. So if I am using Android Auto on the head unit, the route automatically transfers over. Is there something similar in the Apple world?
There is, however, I have not tried to use it on the CarPlay interface. I know in-app I can transfer it just fine. In fact, this is how I find my next charge spot if on an unfamiliar route. I plan in ABRP and transfer the next leg to Apple Maps.
 

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Taken many trips with CarPlay and here is what I have found:
  • Apple Maps has given the best experience with next turn also on drivers display. It also blends in the audio prompts with playing music.
  • Google Maps is not so good. No matter what I do it YELLS as in the audio has too much gain. Adjusting the volume while it is yelling just makes the overmodulated mess get softer but still over modulated. Additionally it stops background music for audio prompt guidance.
  • Built in is just okay and I have used it a few times. The Hello ID voice Base assistant will not understand most places that I want to go. The nice thing is more info on drivers display like estimated time left, distance. Also the ID Light is used.
  • I am an ABRP subscriber but never really used their Nav as it felt really limited. Need to try it.

I think I would be super happy if somehow Apple Maps could use the ID light.
There is an option in Google Maps to make the audio guidance "softer" (or "louder), if it is too soft or loud compared to your music. I'm thinking this may fix your audio issue.
 

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I like ABRP for route planning, and then put the waypoints into the factory nav. I imagine I’ll like the same with the ID.4. And maybe since I’m getting an AWD model the built-in nav will be even better than it is right now.
 

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I checked this thing some weeks ago and the video is coming online this sunday (?), anyway here is my table whats working and what not and with what.

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Interesting bit:
if you are using carplay, with lets say google maps or A better route planner thats not sending the directions to the dash, you can use the VW navigation to show it. while having live route guidance through ABRP on screen. This is not possible with AA because every routeplanner works on AA with giving direction info.

interesting bit #2: you can run multiple navigation on AA and carplay through the different apps. With Carplay only Apple Maps will show the directions on the dash so Apple maps can be in the background while also navigating with lets say Gmaps on the carplay screen.
This doesnt work with AA, because the navi directions is being send by the active navigation on screen. Only when you switch from application it switches too
 

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I like Apple Maps best because their voice alerts come sooner than Google and are slightly more on point. The internal nav has too many useless "please" as in "please turn left at the next intersection". Just give me the facts, madam. Now if only ID.Light would work with non-native map sources!
 

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I haven't looked for/tried it but typically there's an integral Nav setting to reduce the AI verbiage to "just the facts Ma'am." 😉

At least it's better than when Benz asks you upon "cancel route guidance" - "are you sure ...?" 🤪

But the most [minor} irritation for me on any Nav system is when after voice-inputting a destination it asks "should I start route guidance?" Well, why do you think I entered it???!!! 😣

I like Apple Maps best because their voice alerts come sooner than Google and are slightly more on point. The internal nav has too many useless "please" as in "please turn left at the next intersection". Just give me the facts, madam. Now if only ID.Light would work with non-native map sources!
 

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I like Apple Maps best because their voice alerts come sooner than Google and are slightly more on point. The internal nav has too many useless "please" as in "please turn left at the next intersection". Just give me the facts, madam. Now if only ID.Light would work with non-native map sources!
I’m generally a Waze user, but last weekend while we were visiting our niece in Oceanside we used Apple Maps to get around. We really enjoyed the more specific commands “Go through this light and turn left into the driveway” for example. I’ll likely try it some more on local commutes.
 
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I checked this thing some weeks ago and the video is coming online this sunday (?), anyway here is my table whats working and what not and with what.

View attachment 2643

Interesting bit:
if you are using carplay, with lets say google maps or A better route planner thats not sending the directions to the dash, you can use the VW navigation to show it. while having live route guidance through ABRP on screen. This is not possible with AA because every routeplanner works on AA with giving direction info.

interesting bit #2: you can run multiple navigation on AA and carplay through the different apps. With Carplay only Apple Maps will show the directions on the dash so Apple maps can be in the background while also navigating with lets say Gmaps on the carplay screen.
This doesnt work with AA, because the navi directions is being send by the active navigation on screen. Only when you switch from application it switches too
Will you be demonstrating these interesting bits in your upcoming video? I don't understand them as described.
 

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I like Apple Maps best because their voice alerts come sooner than Google and are slightly more on point. The internal nav has too many useless "please" as in "please turn left at the next intersection". Just give me the facts, madam. Now if only ID.Light would work with non-native map sources!
My guess is gonna be you'll see android auto supporting ID light well before apple does, just based off the stance of both companies and outside development

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My guess is gonna be you'll see android auto supporting ID light well before apple does, just based off the stance of both companies and outside development

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I think you are mistaken here, though I guess time will show. The fact that the car already "gets directions" from CarPlay, to show directions on the binnacle, would appear to show the car is already getting the information, from the iPhone, needed to program the ID light.
 

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I think you are mistaken here, though I guess time will show. The fact that the car already "gets directions" from CarPlay, to show directions on the binnacle, would appear to show the car is already getting the information, from the iPhone, needed to program the ID light.
This change would probably have more to do with VW themselves, than a relationship or api setting, because as you’ve noted the directions are already visible.
 
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My guess is gonna be you'll see android auto supporting ID light well before apple does, just based off the stance of both companies and outside development

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IMO I think that this is a limitation of the VW OS. VW has to enable this. They already have next turn on binnacle as raadsel mentioned. I believe VW has to enable that.
 
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