[daikon]

Hello!

Very close to sealing the deal on an ID4 (fingers crossed). Can any of you confirm the charge rate with the included Lv1 cable?

I have read 2miles per hour, 3 miles per hour and I remember a thread claiming even higher. I would just like to know what I can expect, realistically, using the stock cord in a standard US outlet.

Unfortunately, I do not think I will be able to easily install a level 2 any time soon.

Thank you!

 

[Nai3t]

I recorded 12.5% over 8 hours using the stock 10 amp EVSE, and 19% over 8 hours using an aftermarket 16 amp EVSE. How many miles that pencils out to depends on your driving efficiency.

If you can manage 3.5 miles / kW, that's about 34 miles of range over 8 hours with the stock unit, or about 51 miles using a 16 amp unit.

 

[daikon]

I recorded 12.5% over 8 hours using the stock 10 amp EVSE, and 19% over 8 hours using an aftermarket 16 amp EVSE. How many miles that pencils out to depends on your driving efficiency.

If you can manage 3.5 miles / kW, that's about 34 miles of range over 8 hours with the stock unit, or about 51 miles using a 16 amp unit.

Thank you!

Without owning the car I have no idea if 3.5 miles/ kW is normal or not. In town I will be around 50mph and highway would be 80~85 mph.

Are you saying you got 16 amp from a 110 plug?

 

[Nai3t]

Yeah, I've been using one (Duosida) for my BMW i3 for the past two years, and use it daily to plug in to a 120 volt receptacle at work. I've plugged it in to the ID.4 a few times to do some calculations, but charge that car mainly on a 40A unit at home.

I think 3.5 is maybe on the slightly optimistic side of "typical" for the ID.4 -- others can chime in. You can't really know until you begin using the car.

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[Don]

Any outlet is legal to use at 80% of it's circuit ampacity, so if you have a dedicated outlet (no other outlets on that same breaker) wired with 12 gauge or larger wire and with a 20 amp circuit breaker, you can legally pull 16 amps from that outlet. Keep in mind that not every garage outlet is dedicated to it's own breaker and that breaker could be powering other things on other outlets. This is why most EV manufacturers only include an 8, or 10 or sometimes a 12 amp EVSE with the car. So, don't run out and buy a 16 amp EVSE before you check your outlet(s) to make sure it's safe

Don

 

[daikon]

Any outlet is legal to use at 80% of it's circuit ampacity, so if you have a dedicated outlet (no other outlets on that same breaker) wired with 12 gauge or larger wire and with a 20 amp circuit breaker, you can legally pull 16 amps from that outlet. Keep in mind that not every garage outlet is dedicated to it's own breaker and that breaker could be powering other things on other outlets. This is why most EV manufacturers only include an 8, or 10 or sometimes a 12 amp EVSE with the car. So, don't run out and buy a 16 amp EVSE before you check your outlet(s) to make sure it's safe

Don

Thank you for that! I will have fun turning everything on and off to find out! It is very encouraging to think that (extrapolating ) I could expect around 75 miles from a 12 hour charge with this cable. I didn't even know this was an option !

 

[daikon]

Actually I had it marked on my breaker.

So if I bought this cable and had it maxing out the circuit to fill my car and turned on some lights on the same circuit, would I blow a fuse or would the cable just not pull as many amps/ slow the cars charge?

Also does it matter if you blow a fuse while charging the car?

Thanks! And sorry if the questions are weird...semi clueless about this stuff!

 

[Nai3t]

Any outlet is legal to use at 80% of it's circuit ampacity, so if you have a dedicated outlet (no other outlets on that same breaker) wired with 12 gauge or larger wire and with a 20 amp circuit breaker, you can legally pull 16 amps from that outlet. Keep in mind that not every garage outlet is dedicated to it's own breaker and that breaker could be powering other things on other outlets. This is why most EV manufacturers only include an 8, or 10 or sometimes a 12 amp EVSE with the car. So, don't run out and buy a 16 amp EVSE before you check your outlet(s) to make sure it's safe

This is a good point. Modern code-compliant construction requires 20 amp circuits in the garage but a fridge, freezer, or other appliances or tools sharing this circuit mean that a 16 amp EVSE will instantly put the circuit over 80% of capacity (16 amps being 80% of 20 amps).

However, a "continuous load" is any load expected to run longer than 3 hours. So it's "ok" to have other loads on and off this circuit, but in reality, it's best to not share the circuit.

12 gauge wire is rated to handle 20 amps + a safety factor (I think 25%?) so pulling 20 amps on a 20 amp circuit isn't going to automatically burn the house down, but at some point it's going to trip the breaker.

 

[daikon]

This is a good point. Modern code-compliant construction requires 20 amp circuits in the garage but a fridge, freezer, or other appliances or tools sharing this circuit mean that a 16 amp EVSE will instantly put the circuit over 80% of capacity (16 amps being 80% of 20 amps).

However, a "continuous load" is any load expected to run longer than 3 hours. So it's "ok" to have other loads on and off this circuit, but in reality, it's best to not share the circuit.

12 gauge wire is rated to handle 20 amps + a safety factor (I think 25%?) so pulling 20 amps on a 20 amp circuit isn't going to automatically burn the house down, but at some point it's going to trip the breaker.

Holy Smokes!! It is shared with a bathroom, so someone could be doing the business, I plug in the car, they turn on the fart fan, and the house goes up in smoke! I hope I am understanding this wrong.

lol - that's one way to light a candle!

 

[Nai3t]

A bathroom fan might use 60 watts, about 1/2 amp, and a LED bulb is maybe 0.1 A. So if somebody flips on the fan while you're charging at 16 amps you're fine.

If it's a combination fan / heater, on the other hand, you wouldn't have to worry about it because the breaker would trip within a matter of seconds.

 

[Froggy]

80 to 85 mph will suck electricity like nobody’s working business. It’s also illegal in the vast majority of states.

 

[Don]

Holy Smokes!! It is shared with a bathroom, so someone could be doing the business, I plug in the car, they turn on the fart fan, and the house goes up in smoke! I hope I am understanding this wrong.

. . . . or, they might flip on a 1200 watt hair dryer . . . .

It'll definitely trip the breaker, so there's very little danger of anything serious happening. But, if your garage outlet is shared with then bathroom, it's time to come up with another charging solution. Even with the wimpy OEM EVSE, a hair dryer is still gonna trip the breaker. Since your garage 120 volt outlet is basically useless for long term charging, it's probably time to look at having an electrician install a 240 volt outlet for you

Don

 

[Nai3t]

. . . . or, they might flip on a 1200 watt hair dryer . . . .

It'll definitely trip the breaker, so there's very little danger of anything serious happening. But, if your garage outlet is shared with then bathroom, it's time to come up with another charging solution. ...

If the bathroom receptacles are shared with anything outside of the bathroom, that's in violation of the NEC, so hopefully that's not the case. The bathroom light previously was allowed to be separate but shared but under the current code needs to be on a second exclusive bathroom circuit, and cannot be on the circuit that feeds the bathroom receptacles. @daikon 's fan might be on the bathroom light circuit or maybe on the garage circuit. Hopefully this isn't opening up a can of worms!

The most important thing regardless of electrical code and the state of wiring is to know what, if anything, is sharing the circuit being used. If the wiring, breakers, and receptacles are "up to snuff" then the worst outcome will be nuisance trips.

 

[bobdavisnpf]

If you've got any EA chargers nearby, you've got a few years you can pick up big miles free while doing an errand or some in-car work-from-home time; once or twice a week might keep you in range to supplement with the 120v at-home charge. With 4 EA locations within 10 miles, I've got my pick of errands I can run while fast charging, and do so about once a week. So far home charging is mainly topping up in prep for road trips.
I'm getting 4.0 miles/kwh driving hypermiling (force of habit, 21 years of hybrid/EV miles). At 50 in-town and 80-85 on highways, I think you'll be under 2.5 miles/kwh. Also at 85 I think a low road-hugger like Tesla S or Fisker Karma would be a safer ride than a high crossover like ID.4 or Model X. Center of gravity and all that, y'know...

 

[thesecond55]

Hello!

Very close to sealing the deal on an ID4 (fingers crossed). Can any of you confirm the charge rate with the included Lv1 cable?

I have read 2miles per hour, 3 miles per hour and I remember a thread claiming even higher. I would just like to know what I can expect, realistically, using the stock cord in a standard US outlet.

Unfortunately, I do not think I will be able to easily install a level 2 any time soon.

Thank you!

How close are you to an Electrify America station? I'm 11 miles from the closest one. I go once a week and charge to 80%, sometimes 85% if I'm going to go someplace out of the ordinary. Then I charge at home as needed. Level 1 is indeed slow but if you can do the EA thing you may make it between EA charges. Just sayin'. I do have a Level 2 charger (Splitvolt) that gets me 19/20 miles per hour of charge but have used the Level 1. I guess a lot depends on how far you need to drive each day. Wishing you the best...

 

[daikon]

80 to 85 mph will suck electricity like nobody’s working business. It’s also illegal in the vast majority of states.

Any idea how bad it is? How many miles / kW I should expect at that speed? Thanks!

 

[daikon]

. . . . or, they might flip on a 1200 watt hair dryer . . . .

It'll definitely trip the breaker, so there's very little danger of anything serious happening. But, if your garage outlet is shared with then bathroom, it's time to come up with another charging solution. Even with the wimpy OEM EVSE, a hair dryer is still gonna trip the breaker. Since your garage 120 volt outlet is basically useless for long term charging, it's probably time to look at having an electrician install a 240 volt outlet for you

Don

We are planning to move soon though, so it just seems like a waste.

 

[daikon]

If the bathroom receptacles are shared with anything outside of the bathroom, that's in violation of the NEC, so hopefully that's not the case. The bathroom light previously was allowed to be separate but shared but under the current code needs to be on a second exclusive bathroom circuit, and cannot be on the circuit that feeds the bathroom receptacles. @daikon 's fan might be on the bathroom light circuit or maybe on the garage circuit. Hopefully this isn't opening up a can of worms!

The most important thing regardless of electrical code and the state of wiring is to know what, if anything, is sharing the circuit being used. If the wiring, breakers, and receptacles are "up to snuff" then the worst outcome will be nuisance trips.

I will investigate more, I just did a quick check on the fuse box and saw "garage/ guest bathroom" on the same circuit. I will write back later! Can't check with the kiddos asleep.

 

[daikon]

If you've got any EA chargers nearby, you've got a few years you can pick up big miles free while doing an errand or some in-car work-from-home time; once or twice a week might keep you in range to supplement with the 120v at-home charge. With 4 EA locations within 10 miles, I've got my pick of errands I can run while fast charging, and do so about once a week. So far home charging is mainly topping up in prep for road trips.
I'm getting 4.0 miles/kwh driving hypermiling (force of habit, 21 years of hybrid/EV miles). At 50 in-town and 80-85 on highways, I think you'll be under 2.5 miles/kwh. Also at 85 I think a low road-hugger like Tesla S or Fisker Karma would be a safer ride than a high crossover like ID.4 or Model X. Center of gravity and all that, y'know...

Ahhhh hypermiling! Did you have a prius too? I used to try to get the best mpg I could on that thing.

Where I am, if you go much slower than 80 on the highway it can become dangerous. Thank you for the advice! and 2.5 mi/ kwh! Yikes! That would be about 192 range vs 250! These things get that inefficient at that speed? I can't imaging how bad it must be for people in EU. There are road there that are very very fast!

Is that 2.5 mi/ kwh a guess or from experience?

and than you!

 

[daikon]

How close are you to an Electrify America station? I'm 11 miles from the closest one. I go once a week and charge to 80%, sometimes 85% if I'm going to go someplace out of the ordinary. Then I charge at home as needed. Level 1 is indeed slow but if you can do the EA thing you may make it between EA charges. Just sayin'. I do have a Level 2 charger (Splitvolt) that gets me 19/20 miles per hour of charge but have used the Level 1. I guess a lot depends on how far you need to drive each day. Wishing you the best...

Unfortunately, there is one around 45 minutes north and another 40 minutes south. Water to the west and one about two hours to the east. ....bad spot to take advantage of this, I know!