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I love to use cruise control on most any road (local or highway) and really want to use it on on the ID.4. However, I've noticed something annoying: the ID.4 keeps fluctuating the speed, very slightly, so that it's oscillating between accelerating and regenerating every few seconds. I can certainly feel it, especially at lower speeds. I also brought up the Vehicle data screen and was watching the energy consumption display. I confirmed it would go up slightly, then go down, then go back up, etc. corresponding to the slight accel/decel I was feeling. To be clear, this is on a open road, not following another vehicle ahead of me (not ACC).

It's noticeable driving on flat terrain. Going uphill, the ID.4 is always expending energy, so I suppose it only has to adjust how much energy it's adding to maintain speed. And going downhill, it can just control the amount of regen. But on flat terrain, it is as if the software says, "whoa, you're 0.5 mph over the target, I'd better apply some regen to bring you back!" But the amount of regen is too large (large enough for me to physically sense) and for a too-long interval, so I end up 0.5 mph below the target. And then the ID.4 decides it needs to accelerate to catch back up to the target, and ends up overshooting on the high side. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I normally drive in D, but testing in B had the same result. And trying different driving modes (Comfort vs Sport) also had no effect. I think being in cruise control in general overrides all those settings as it hands control of regen to the cruise control software anyway.

The effect is less noticeable at, say 50 mph+, as the fluctuation in speed is relatively small compared to the overall speed. But I do use cruise a lot on my local streets, which are 25 mph. That's where it's most annoying.

I'm assuming this is just poor software, similar to the "why does the speedometer show 1 less than the cruise target." Unless I'm the only one who's experienced this.
 

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I love to use cruise control on most any road (local or highway) and really want to use it on on the ID.4. However, I've noticed something annoying: the ID.4 keeps fluctuating the speed, very slightly, so that it's oscillating between accelerating and regenerating every few seconds. I can certainly feel it, especially at lower speeds. I also brought up the Vehicle data screen and was watching the energy consumption display. I confirmed it would go up slightly, then go down, then go back up, etc. corresponding to the slight accel/decel I was feeling. To be clear, this is on a open road, not following another vehicle ahead of me (not ACC).

It's noticeable driving on flat terrain. Going uphill, the ID.4 is always expending energy, so I suppose it only has to adjust how much energy it's adding to maintain speed. And going downhill, it can just control the amount of regen. But on flat terrain, it is as if the software says, "whoa, you're 0.5 mph over the target, I'd better apply some regen to bring you back!" But the amount of regen is too large (large enough for me to physically sense) and for a too-long interval, so I end up 0.5 mph below the target. And then the ID.4 decides it needs to accelerate to catch back up to the target, and ends up overshooting on the high side. Lather, rinse, repeat.

I normally drive in D, but testing in B had the same result. And trying different driving modes (Comfort vs Sport) also had no effect. I think being in cruise control in general overrides all those settings as it hands control of regen to the cruise control software anyway.

The effect is less noticeable at, say 50 mph+, as the fluctuation in speed is relatively small compared to the overall speed. But I do use cruise a lot on my local streets, which are 25 mph. That's where it's most annoying.

I'm assuming this is just poor software, similar to the "why does the speedometer show 1 less than the cruise target." Unless I'm the only one who's experienced this.
I've generally found that ACC is less efficient than when I take full control. I imagine this is because ACC does a lot of minor adjustments in order to hold the exact speed and following distance that you request. As you suggest, I think it is because the computer applies lots of "go a little bit, stop a little bit" going on in order to accomplish the stated goal. At higher speeds, this is less noticeable because it generally requires more energy to keep the car going so ACC is more often required to consistently apply some amount of energy. At lower speeds, it takes less energy to maintain a set speed and thus it is also easier to slip upwards in speed depending on the current driving conditions. When I don't have ACC on, I am more willing to tolerate some range of speed increase and decrease in order to achieve better efficiency. This all seems to make qualitative sense to me for how ACC should be working. That being said, I only use ACC on the highway, so I have not really experienced how bad the annoyances that you report are.
 

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I've generally found that ACC is less efficient than when I take full control. I imagine this is because ACC does a lot of minor adjustments in order to hold the exact speed and following distance that you request.
Yep. As you go from Sport to Comfort to Eco mode, the ACC will get progressively more relaxed in speed control and follow distance. Sport is as you describe above. Eco is quite easy-going and will let the speed wander 3-4 MPH as you begin to go up a hill. Like you, I think I'm more efficient to some degree than the ACC is, but if you want to maximize your efficiency with ACC on, use Eco mode.
 

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I also have the hunting or oscillating feeling using ACC on low-speed neighborhood streets. It happens in D mode. I use cruise control to be right on speed limit in neighborhoods because the car is so quiet.

My best description of the feeling (other than one-pedal diving with a shaky foot making micro-adjustments) is it makes the car feel kind of like a short wheelbase vehicle driving on grooved pavement.
 
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