[Ben V]

Not sure if I am seeing this right, but VW of Pasadena (for those in SoCal) just got like 14 in stock. They go for MSRP.... I really want to go for a 2023, but this is tempting.

None of them are in stock, they are all pre-orders. They all say they have a sale pending or are 'in transit'. I got mine from VW Pasadena and one day while I was still waiting I went there to check the cars they supposedly had according to the website but there were none on the lot because if it's a preorder it gets picked up within a day or two. They only had one or two demo cars even when the website would show them as having 15.

 

[Ben V]

What ever they are, the number keeps climbing every day. Buyers of ID4 are not like tesla fanboys and wont easily buy the cars without the tax rebate specially given that the rebate would like be back next year.

The number of available cars keeps climbing even though that number is currently zero? You are gonna have to explain your math to me here.

 

[Ben V]

What are you smoking? What part of "number of id4s appearing is increasing" do you not get? I had no idea that there was an id4 fanboy club.

You are making up stuff that buyers aren't 'fanboys' and that as a result of the IRA there are cars available for purchase and that the number increases every day and you use VW Pasadena as an example. But if you check their list of 'stock' here: New Vehicles | Volkswagen Pasadena | VW Dealership you can see that they actually do not have a single one sitting on the lot. So you keep saying that number is increasing when in fact it's zero. Go to their dealership and check it out for yourself. Ask for Jorge if you have questions, he's great. (It's my local dealership and where I got my ID4 from).

And don't worry about people being fanboys, it's their right to love the product they bought and if it bothers you, I suggest to change your attitude and life will be more fun.

 

[Ben V]

So the learning here is that cars get sold regardless of the tax credit or not. We already knew this from Tesla but it now also applies to customers looking to buy an EV from a manufacturer who did not yet exceed the limit of number of vehicles sold. Yes there are always people for who the tax credit matters but for anyone not choosing to buy a car there are plenty of others the buy it instead, because they can and don't need the credit.

 

[Ben V]

Let us not forget that money-wise buying EV is not profitable. Despite many people saying otherwise. PHEV / Hybrid is a better choice (money wise). I have both, and I have very nice excel to compare.

Your conditions may apply to you but not to others. With a plug in hybrid you will be paying for electricity and gas vs someone who uses 100% free charging, for example.

 

[Ben V]

VW Pasadena is now showing 29 in inventory, of course the 15 from before are all most like "Sale pending." I'm sure a majority of these will get "sale pending" as well. However, that 15 I saw from 2 weeks ago are still basically sitting there from the VINs I recognize, so I wonder if some are dragging their feet to pick up or might just be cancelled. The other thing is, over the last 2 months, I have not seen this many in stock even if its for orders. So that's nice to see people who did order 22s and are keeping them, that they seem to be coming in finally; just sucks that it is way after the IRA was signed and that CA dealerships refused to do binding contracts.

I bet if you go there there won't be a single ID4 on the lot that's for sale. 'Sale pending' also doesn't mean the car is physically there, it could still be in transit in the US. Back when I ordered mine I saw it on the website as well as 'sale pending' before the car had arrived.

EDIT- all cars at VW Pasadena have a 'sale pending' or are 'in transit' and when you hover over the 'in transit' box you will see many of them are not expected to arrive at the dealership until 2-3 months from now.

 

[Ben V]

Before it wouldn't have sat for a day even with markup. Now it's sitting a good few days as they negotiate the markup down in person.

That seems to be saying exactly the same thing, twice. You’re just making it sound like it’s different.