[fireboy92k]

None yet on lots here in central Florida either. I can’t speak to Tesla as they rarely have cars on a lot here even in good times. And Tesla hasn’t been eligible for the federal rebate now for some time, so I doubt that is impacting purchases for them.

There was that article going around saying VW had months of inventory but it was never substantiated that I saw. And I think most of us figured it was probably in China if such a condition existed at all.

 

[fireboy92k]

Let us know if that's the case. VW Leasing (i.e. VW Credit) put out a note saying effect immidiately they were no longer providing that. You can find it posted in multiple places on this board, so no use reposting it in this thread.

I am going to a dealer that had a back out yesterday on one that is supposed to get there tomorrow. They have said no mark up and that they'll apply the ev credit to the lease. I'm skeptical about that but we'll see. It's a higher trim than I was looking to get into so that credit on the lease will actually make or break the deal for me more than likely.

 

[fireboy92k]

Not that I know of. Though the instant rebate was a 'feature' of the offering from VW Credit for sure.

that’s why I’m skeptical… but they also may not use vwcredit. Dealers don’t have to use vwcredit do they?

 

[fireboy92k]

Yeah, I guess that's not a surprise with the change in the law a lot of people that thought they were going to get it when they ordered and now aren't are probably walking away. It will be interesting to see if they choose a different EV, but only the Mach E and Korean cars are price competitive in size and they are all in the same boat.

Will be intersesting to watch all the EV brands....

 

[fireboy92k]

Yeah, if you can wait until 'next year', there are a TON of cars coming and Chevy for sure has a bunch in the pipeline. I know people give Mary Barra a lot of crap, but Chevy does seem to be moving pretty aggressively to EV cars across a wide range of their offerings. If I was in the Tesla price range for a car, the new Cadillac looks really nice, and I'm not a Caddy kinda guy.

Ford by comparison has few models committed to EV. And I personally dialed out of Stelantis a long time ago, so I don't even pay attention to them I'm sorry to say.

TBH, I'm watching the Chevy Equinox EV pretty diligently. ID4 checks almost every single box of mine now but the Equinox starting at $30-35k MSRP is super appealing especially since it'll probably qualify for the tax credit.

 

[fireboy92k]

Yeah, the current Bolt is a compact hatch. My biggest issues with the Bolt, even the new ones, has been their anemic charging speed (50kW'ish) and the seats... now only available in black. The first gen Bolt seats were not comfortable long term seats. The news ones are redesigned and apparently slightly better, but still leave something to be desired on a longer drive. Though I haven't sat in one of the new ones to be honest. The range and everything else in the car seems to be done pretty well from the Munro and Out Of Spec reviews. I'd seriously look at one if I needed a second electric car for around town however.

For compact crossover/SUV, you have the Ford Mach E, VW iD4, Audi Q4 (not sure of supply), and the 2 Korean 'twins', and MAYBE the new Bolt EUV.

 

[fireboy92k]

Here is a decent comparison of the Bolt vs the Nissan Leaf that just popped into my mailbox from MotorTrend. The Chevy stacks up well against the Leaf ( and vice versa).

2023 Chevrolet Bolt vs. Nissan Leaf: Affordable EVs Compared (motortrend.com)

 

[fireboy92k]

I think we've wondered to topic adjacent because so far none of us believe the contents of the OPs post are as universal as implied.

What specifically are you hoping to get out of this thread? A place where you can go into a dealer and buy a readily available ID4 and MSRP?

Guys can you keep this on topic...there is plenty of other threads on the bolt and chevy card vs id4.

 

[fireboy92k]

Maybe we can talk @Huey52 or @Spin into making a pinned message where folks can do that. I'm not sure this thread (and this title) are well suited to keeping tabs on that myself. But I'm not the moderator.

 

[fireboy92k]

The assembly requirement is for the car overall, not just the battery.

Electric Vehicle Tax Credits: What You Need to Know (investopedia.com)

in 2023, minerals percentage starting at 40% either sourced in US or US free trade parters and increase each year 10% til it reaches 100% by 2029 (for the first half of rebate ie $3750)
Other half $3750 is based on where the battery manufacured or assembled (this one little more confusing)

Also from 2024, if any rebate, it will be applied at point of sale (like most of the state rebates (ex: MA)

 

[fireboy92k]

It's the VW way. Why I left the brand for different pastures the last time (Inifinti, then a Mazda, then an Audi before coming back).

Beginning to? VW is its own worst disaster.

 

[fireboy92k]

And this boys girls is why we like links to sources.

Not true. The Electrik article states that is how many Ford sold in 2022 as of August.

Here’s a breakdown of Ford’s EV sales to date for 2022.

• Ford F-150 lighting – 6,842
• Mustang Mach-e – 25, 765
• E-Transit – 3,938

 

[fireboy92k]

Well, the rule can't 'violate' the law. So they have to meet at least what in the law black and white parts without question. There is a lot of room for interpretation below that, but if the law says 'x battery components from the US starting at enactment' there isn't much that any interpretation can do about that.

You can get creative after that, though woe to those that also knowingly violate the spirit of the intent behind the law by the executive branch as well. Senator's in particular have a long memory and generally a long tenure, and they do not take such slights lightly. Don't ask me how I know.

 

[fireboy92k]

It's defintely a hard thing to get your head wrapped around. Not to take the conversation in a different direction, but just as an ancedote the discussions about annual energy costs in the UK going up 80%. I fully realize the 80% up hurts... a lot. But then I look at the number they are predicting for the average annual UK household after that jump..... and when you do the conversion and divide it up over 12 months... it's still less than I pay monthly for my electricity bill in Florida. And Florida is close to the 'avearge' costs for electricity in the US ($.14 a kWh is what I pay).

I have had a theory for a number of years now: There are too many wealthy people in America now so the changing financial troubles of the Middle Class(and the Disadvantaged Class) are no longer the main driving force on prices. So now we all can do is sit around wondering why there are no more crashes so we can find great deals on houses or cars that we can afford? Cheaper electric cars coming? Yeah, along with everything else. 🥱