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I somewhat agree on PHEV a bit cheaper to operate but won’t it erase those savings when battery needs replacement? Provided you mainly use it on EV mode, doing 0-100% almost every day will ruin that battery in no time.
Nope - have 2 PHEVs, one from 2018 with no battery degradation. Remember that they have large buffers. So you are doing from 15% to 85% each day, that is fine.
 

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Let us not forget that money-wise buying EV is not profitable. Despite many people saying otherwise. PHEV / Hybrid is a better choice (money wise). I have both, and I have very nice excel to compare. :)
Your conditions may apply to you but not to others. With a plug in hybrid you will be paying for electricity and gas vs someone who uses 100% free charging, for example.
 

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Your conditions may apply to you but not to others. With a plug in hybrid you will be paying for electricity and gas vs someone who uses 100% free charging, for example.
You are correct - if you drive Houston to Dallas on regular basis - you may cover the additional cost of EV in 2-3 years.
Said that - buying EV is still not a good investment, but rather a great car to drive (IMHO). I am not trying to save, I am trying to enjoy.

BTW, a good example is - BMW X5 45e - 60K after all rebates in Texas (in 2021, no idea how much it is now). Fully loaded.
 

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You are correct - if you drive Houston to Dallas on regular basis - you may cover the additional cost of EV in 2-3 years.
Said that - buying EV is still not a good investment, but rather a great car to drive (IMHO). I am not trying to save, I am trying to enjoy.

BTW, a good example is - BMW X5 45e - 60K after all rebates in Texas (in 2021, no idea how much it is now). Fully loaded.
P.S. Do not forget that electricity price is rising - new contracts in Texas are now about 20c per kW (was 11c last year). Just returned from Spain - new contracts get up to 1Euro per kW...
 

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Your conditions may apply to you but not to others. With a plug in hybrid you will be paying for electricity and gas vs someone who uses 100% free charging, for example.
It depends on the commute. My wife drives a Honda Clarity PHEV with 40-50 miles of range. Commute is 15 miles each way. Free charging at work. We fill up gas maybe once every six months. The tank is only 7 gallons.
 

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Schumacher VW in North Palm Beach FL has a White 2022 AWD Pro S in stock from someone who missed locking the credit by 1 day. Of course its ~10K over MSRP. Then again dealers down the street at Ford have $30-40K markups on abandoned F150 Lightning orders. So this looks like a deal.
 

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Schumacher VW in North Palm Beach FL has a White 2022 AWD Pro S in stock from someone who missed locking the credit by 1 day. Of course its ~10K over MSRP. Then again dealers down the street at Ford have $30-40K markups on abandoned F150 Lightning orders. So this looks like a deal.
it is a great deal, for dealers :cool:
 

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Nope - have 2 PHEVs, one from 2018 with no battery degradation. Remember that they have large buffers. So you are doing from 15% to 85% each day, that is fine.
But all EVs have buffer too. i.e. ID4 has 82 kwh battery but only 77 useable, on top of that they ask to charge max to 80% and min to 10%, still battery degrades. I guess any battery's life is about 1000 charging cycles and PHEVs will go through them a lot quicker than big battery cars.
 

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But all EVs have buffer too. i.e. ID4 has 82 kwh battery but only 77 useable, on top of that they ask to charge max to 80% and min to 10%, still battery degrades. I guess any battery's life is about 1000 charging cycles and PHEVs will go through them a lot quicker than big battery cars.
Buffer is bigger in PHEV - X5 45e is 24kWh battery with 18 kWh usable. EV never provides such buffers (% wise)
But even for smaller buffers (like Volt - 18kWh battery, 14kWh usable - people are doing more than 300K miles w/o an issue.
 

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Well got ANOTHER call today from same dealer in san diego, another cancellation. Seems like deliveries are picking up now or they just had a major drop .
Yep, I see this more and more. I guess people realize that spending 55K on a car MY2022 when they can get MY2023 for a bit less due to federal rebate - make no financial sense.
 

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Well got ANOTHER call today from same dealer in san diego, another cancellation. Seems like deliveries are picking up now or they just had a major drop .
Which one. I did a cursory search and Kearny Mesa seems to have 6, out of which 1 does not have a "sale pending". Some of the other ones don't even have a single one on the lot (reserved or not).
 
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Public Service Announcement: for any interested buyers, a dealer markup of any amount is just a starting number. Of course they would love the first person contacted to enthusiastically say "Yes! I'll drop everything come right now and happily pay your insane value added fee."

Realistically an entirely appropriate response could be "I'll buy it for MSRP and not a penny more."

They don't have to say yes, but somebody will. If the car sits, they certainly will.

I've had used buying experiences where instead of the sales guy bugging me, I'd reach out to him every couple of days and ask "Do you still have my car? I'll buy it today for $xxx." I had visited, driven the car, met the salesman. Both took a few days (more than a week, maybe about two) before they relented.

It just depends how hot the market is, and how badly they want to move that particular vehicle. It seems that supply has increased enough where negotiating is once again possible (hard to negotiate when the buyer behind you is willing to pay whatever).
 

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My local dealer has 6 of 8 units (2022) showing available to reserve vs sale pending. Shockingly last week I had a cold call from different dealer that sold me my E-Golf back in 3/2020 to see if I was interested in trading it in for an ID.4 - guess the bubble is bursting on the used/new car market. Told them I was not interested and to check back in with me in the new year - they were disinterested 6 months ago while they were chasing crazy markups so I am disinterested now. :LOL:
Well got ANOTHER call today from same dealer in san diego, another cancellation. Seems like deliveries are picking up now or they just had a major drop .
I am getting texts from dealers now with cancellations…only one dealer so far who isn’t charging markups on cancellations.
 

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VW Pasadena is now showing 29 in inventory, of course the 15 from before are all most like "Sale pending." I'm sure a majority of these will get "sale pending" as well. However, that 15 I saw from 2 weeks ago are still basically sitting there from the VINs I recognize, so I wonder if some are dragging their feet to pick up or might just be cancelled. The other thing is, over the last 2 months, I have not seen this many in stock even if its for orders. So that's nice to see people who did order 22s and are keeping them, that they seem to be coming in finally; just sucks that it is way after the IRA was signed and that CA dealerships refused to do binding contracts.
 
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