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Hello all! This is my1st post. After reviewing the performance of RWD EVs in the snow and how well they do with snow tires, I am close into deciding that I would most probably choose a RWD. I live in SE Washington where snow is not a major problem here. The 1st Edition is practically a Pro S with Gradient package and other features.

Many state that the 1st Edition is no longer available, however in my state of WA, many are still available for purchase. What will lean you all in purchasing a RWD over an AWD? I really don't care for the 300+ HP when I don't really need it. I'm quite satisfied with what I test drove.

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I'm in new england, and if it's so bad that this car can't handle it with snows, i'll just stay home or take my wife's car. It seems like RWD with snows will be fine in this car due to the weight distribution - my understanding a big component of why RWD is so bad in the snow is due to the lack of any weight above it.
 

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Many state that the 1st Edition is no longer available, however in my state of WA, many are still available for purchase.
Many of the units you see in "inventory" are reserved demo units. There have been a few cancellations that I've been aware of (were dealers were marking up).

Have you confirmed availability with specific dealers? If you know of any, there are some here that might appreciate your intel so they can jump the line.

Good luck on your dealings.
 

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Yes I have inquired and they have a white !st edition that I am interested in. Hmmmm.. should I divulge their locations and lose my choice? Yakima, WA has one.
 

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Like Erick said, many are marked up, but know they markups are 100% negotiable.

The dealer may think it's to their advantage to disclose a ridiculous mark-up up front, hoping somebody bites. They may not realize how that is modifying buyer behavior, snuffing out many enthusiastic potential buyers and even causing them to look at different brands.

If you call a dealer who asks for a markup, don't hang up, tell them that you're ready to pay msrp for it today. Heck, tell them you 'll take it off their bags for $500 below msrp. Be daring. Send a follow up text every day or so.

Remember, even though a dealer may represent their lone ID.4 as a Fabergé egg, they know the reality: it's just another car that needs to get sold. A buyer in hand is worth two in the bush.
 

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Yes I have inquired and they have a white !st edition that I am interested in. Hmmmm.. should I divulge their locations and lose my choice? Yakima, WA has one.
If you are in Washington, make sure you ask for a minimum of $195 off MSRP, to bring the price of a 1st Edition (including destination charge) under $45,000. That way you qualify for the state sales tax exemption for EVs. The exemption eliminates the sales tax on the first $25,000 of the price, though I believe that will drop to the first $20,000 of the price this summer.
 

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Yes I have inquired and they have a white !st edition that I am interested in. Hmmmm.. should I divulge their locations and lose my choice? Yakima, WA has one.
Definitely make your deal first, then share.

The white one in Yakima looks like it could have been their demo. It's VIN is in that range and has the floor mat/trunk linker package that went with them. Maybe they are swapping with the black one.
 

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My dealer said that they are not supposed to sell their demo ID4's. I also told them shortly after I ordered it that I would pay MSRP, destination, tax and title and not one penny more. That is how it turned out. I also rejected all maintenance contracts, wheel insurance, and extended warrantees. I did cop to buying floor mats and trunk mat after the first of the month. I ordered a level 2 charger privately.
 

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My dealer said that they are not supposed to sell their demo ID4's.
When I stopped at Volvo earlier this week to get a quote on selling back our old car, I chatted with a salesman about the XC40 Recharge. They sold both their demos! He said their customers are pissed because their orders from November aren't shipping yet, so they just straight sold 'em. I guess what's the point of having a demo of something you can't get?
 

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I'm in new england, and if it's so bad that this car can't handle it with snows, i'll just stay home or take my wife's car. It seems like RWD with snows will be fine in this car due to the weight distribution - my understanding a big component of why RWD is so bad in the snow is due to the lack of any weight above it.
Exactly. When I grew up in Maine, RWD and 2 snow tires were all we had. (A few vehicles used to plow snow had 4WD.) I never had any real problem driving in snow, even significant amounts, in cars like a '54 Chevy and '64 Valiant. They had 6 cylinders and enough weight on the rear for good traction. Even my '63 Galaxie and '66 Cutlass V8s were fine. I am amazed at the current "need" for 4WD, especially since it only improves traction for acceleration, not braking or steering. I look forward to a great experience with a RWD ID.4. Even my old Volvo 245 with acceleration like a bus felt great when cornering.
 

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When I stopped at Volvo earlier this week to get a quote on selling back our old car, I chatted with a salesman about the XC40 Recharge. They sold both their demos! He said their customers are pissed because their orders from November aren't shipping yet, so they just straight sold 'em. I guess what's the point of having a demo of something you can't get?
XC40 recharge was my other choice as I own a XC60 Transcription and I entirely enjoy the vehicle and luxurious interiors and quite cabin. Despite that higher price, I opted not to purchase one due to its low range and poor efficiency in electrical consumption. Probably has to do with the boxy appearance - an ICE vehicle in an electrified body.
 

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If you are in Washington, make sure you ask for a minimum of $195 off MSRP, to bring the price of a 1st Edition (including destination charge) under $45,000. That way you qualify for the state sales tax exemption for EVs. The exemption eliminates the sales tax on the first $25,000 of the price, though I believe that will drop to the first $20,000 of the price this summer.
Where can I read about the sale tax exemption?
 

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Others have said, and I agree, that AWD is overrated. It helps you get going in deep snow but, for most winter driving, a good set of winter tires is all you need. (Well, that and the electonic traction and stability controls that the ID.4 has.)
 

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Here you go:

There are links on that page to the actual law(s) involved, as well.
Thank you ! That’ll save us hundreds. I didn’t realize that sales tax rates vary for each city in Washington state too. You being from Seattle pay 10.25% and I being from Kennewick pay 8.6%.

 

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I'm in New England and although I've had AWD for the past decade, and 4WD prior, the RWD is fine for me these days. A bit lighter and 200 Hp is plenty with its high torque for my mostly around town driving. But I can pick and choose my Winter driving and if I had to regularly tackle heavier snow I would go AWD and dedicated snow tires.

I've come full circle from RWD being effectively all that was available when I first started driving. Somehow I made it through those Winters. ;)
 

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I opted for the AWD version as I wanted the 4wd here in Maine, the added performance, the heated windshield and the tow hitch. After several test drives I have decided the RWD has enough power for me, I have retired so if I don't need to go out in the snow... I won't. I now have a garage to keep my car in so heated windshield is less important. If a hitch can be put on the Pro, and the trailer wiring is there, then I am going to change my reservation from the AWD to the Pro S RWD.
 
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I opted for the AWD version as I wanted the 4wd here in Maine, the added performance, the heated windshield and the tow hitch. After several test drives I have decided the RWD has enough power for me, I have retired so if I don't need to go out in the snow... I won't. I now have a garage to keep my car in so heated windshield is less important. If a hitch can be put on the Pro, and the trailer wiring is there, then I am going to change my reservation from the AWD to the Pro S RWD.
You might want to look around for a FE that is available. They are out there but it might take some work to find one.
 

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The heated windshield sounds cool but I don't think I could deal with visible wires in my vision.
 
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