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What a bummer. VW is not offering Mythos Black/Kings Red in the EU. I was interested in the id4 but am disappointed on the color options. Heck, still bought an ID4
 

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While there are a few that would be overjoyed to have it, it would be a poor seller in the US. It would be a fraction of a day's production at Zwickau to fulfill the orders of the entire life of the ID.4 in the US.
 

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In the same way that VW showcases Dusk Blue in the USA, the BMW X2 CUV "halo" color was/is a similar honey yellow. In fact still same on their USA website. The X2 is one of a number of CUV's I considered until the ID.4 came out of nowhere (at least to me), and am glad it did. :)
Not sure how the X2 is selling in general, or specifically in yellow however (it was demographically aimed at younger women buyers).
The honey yellow is the featured color of the 1st Max in France.
btw: just learned yesterday, via Alex's 2-month ownership 'tube, that the Mach-E is a bit longer than the Tiguan (and thereby even more so the ID.4) given its Mustang-esque long hood/bonnet. Another reason I'm glad I didn't go that route.
 

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VW released a yellow that was close to the ID.4 honey yellow in 2019 on the Arteon and I think it looks great. There is one for sale here locally at a good price and low miles in that color and it has just been setting and has not sold in months. I love the bright and vibrant colors too, but at the 100,000 foot level nationwide they just don't sell. Unfortunate.
 

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I have been hoping that VW changes their decision to not sell the ID.3 here in the US. I would take the largest battery ID.3 in any color at all, if I could!
I would take an ID3 over the ID4 as well. However, the middle battery would be my choice. It's cheaper, lighter, and almost as capable on a long trip
 

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I would take an ID3 over the ID4 as well. However, the middle battery would be my choice. It's cheaper, lighter, and almost as capable on a long trip
It's hard to imagine the calculus for why the ID3 isn't being offered in the US. The Prius sells just fine and the ID3 is a vastly superior vehicle, IMO.
 

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It's hard to imagine the calculus for why the ID3 isnt being offered in the US. The prius sells just fine and the ID3 is a vastly superior vehicle, IMO.
I'm sure it was debated ad nauseum within the halls of Wolfsburg! Lots and lots of factors to consider.
 

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What a bummer VW is not offering the Honey Yellow to the U.S. I was interested in the id4 but am disappointed on the color options. Will wait for Kia's ev6.
Are you expecting a yellow from Kia? I wouldn't hold your breath on that one! We'll get the same whites, blacks, grays, silvers, and maybe a blue and red.
 

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For me, the ID.3 is perfect.

It is everything I like about the ID.4 - but it is better because it is is not as big, and lower height. It is bigger than the eGolf - which is my family's favorite EV. The ID.3 improves on the eGolf in a couple of ways: rear wheel drive, bigger battery pack, slightly higher seating position, and more room inside. The RWD is great not only for the better traction and driving dynamic - but also for the much tighter turning circle.
 

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For me, the ID.3 is perfect.

It is everything I like about the ID.4 - but it is better because it is is not as big, and lower height. It is bigger than the eGolf - which is my family's favorite EV. The ID.3 improves on the eGolf in a couple of ways: rear wheel drive, bigger battery pack, slightly higher seating position, and more room inside. The RWD is great not only for the better traction and driving dynamic - but also for the much tighter turning circle.
I too would also probably prefer the ID3. I am looking forward to having a bigger car with the ID4, but its primary purpose for me is going to be a ~100 mi round trip daily commuter. The big battery ID3 would be more energy efficient and cheaper, thus better fitting my needs. At any rate, the ID4 also looks like a spectacular vehicle. Can't wait for mine.
 

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I'm sure it was debated ad nauseum within the halls of Wolfsburg! Lots and lots of factors to consider.
Per Scott Keogh, the CEO of VOA and head of all the Volkswagen brand activities in North America, it's simple:

"To me, it’s just simple, simple logic. If you look at the segment that the ID.3 competes in, let’s call it the classic hatchback segment. In America, unfortunately, that’s about 100,000 cars. If you look at what we’re going to do with the E-SUV, that’s 4 to 5 million cars. So look, we need to get the cars on the road. We need to show success. How do we come in with the ID.3 and say we’re just testing it out? They would say small euro car, more of a compliance car. As opposed to an E-SUV, they’re going to say, wow, that’s in the heart of the market, in the heart of the segment, that’s a real car! Let’s go! We want to throw a good first punch. We never want to throw a weak first punch because you might not get a chance to throw a second."​
 

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Per Scott Keogh, the CEO of VOA and head of all the Volkswagen brand activities in North America, it's simple:

"To me, it’s just simple, simple logic. If you look at the segment that the ID.3 competes in, let’s call it the classic hatchback segment. In America, unfortunately, that’s about 100,000 cars. If you look at what we’re going to do with the E-SUV, that’s 4 to 5 million cars. So look, we need to get the cars on the road. We need to show success. How do we come in with the ID.3 and say we’re just testing it out? They would say small euro car, more of a compliance car. As opposed to an E-SUV, they’re going to say, wow, that’s in the heart of the market, in the heart of the segment, that’s a real car! Let’s go! We want to throw a good first punch. We never want to throw a weak first punch because you might not get a chance to throw a second."​
He’s unfortunately not wrong. I’m curious whether the person you responded to who’s looking for a 100mi commuter car knows it already exists in a 2019 eGolf.
 

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He’s unfortunately not wrong. I’m curious whether the person you responded to who’s looking for a 100mi commuter car knows it already exists in a 2019 eGolf.
He replied to my comment and I'm not looking for a 100 mi commuter car. He's not wrong but he's also feeding us a simplified narrative. The ID.3 is not small and it's not a compliance car unless they make it into one by grossly overpricing it and offering it in limited markets with non-competitive specs e.g. the e-Golf. They've made their "wow" moment with the ID.4 so what's stopping them from expanding and offering a full range of EV options.
 

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Per Scott Keogh, the CEO of VOA and head of all the Volkswagen brand activities in North America, it's simple:

"To me, it’s just simple, simple logic. If you look at the segment that the ID.3 competes in, let’s call it the classic hatchback segment. In America, unfortunately, that’s about 100,000 cars. If you look at what we’re going to do with the E-SUV, that’s 4 to 5 million cars. So look, we need to get the cars on the road. We need to show success. How do we come in with the ID.3 and say we’re just testing it out? They would say small euro car, more of a compliance car. As opposed to an E-SUV, they’re going to say, wow, that’s in the heart of the market, in the heart of the segment, that’s a real car! Let’s go! We want to throw a good first punch. We never want to throw a weak first punch because you might not get a chance to throw a second."​
Understood - I have heard this before. I personally know a number of people who would love to be able to buy an ID.3. I think part of this is that there simply aren't good hatchbacks available, so people don't know how good they are.

The ID.3 is hardly small - the eUp! is small. The ID.3 is Passat sized on the inside, but Golf sized on the outside.

The ID.3 is a performance car, for all intents and purposes. It blows away the GTI of old. Rear wheel drive electric cars are amazing to drive.

It sounds like they are holding out to see that the ID.4 sells well - and I think it will sell very well. WE HAVE ONE in my family. We have had TWO e-Golfs - they are our favorite EV up to this point. The size of the ID.4, while not gigantic - it is right on the threshold of being too big, for my family. Don't get me wrong - we are a taller than average family, and the room inside won't go to waste, so to speak. But the outside - the length and width and weight - are larger than ideal for daily driving. The ID.3 would be plenty big enough on the inside, and make a much better daily driver.
 

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If VW could make the ID.3 more GTI-like (sporty to drive, maybe a little more power, sporty trimmings, nicer interior styling etc) I think it would sell fine in North America. I have owned countless GTIs and now have a Mercedes A250 hatchback (not sold in the US) and it would definitely be at the top of my EV shopping list.
 
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