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Driving on bad battery module update

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#1 ·
Wasn't sure how to update old post so that it would show.
My car as i said before had a bad battery module for last 60+k miles.
As long as I keep charge below 80 no warning lights on dash.
Tonight something happened and my car went up to 95%. Something that I haven't done in a long time. And there was no light?!?!? Im hopeful that it self healed :) I will post screen shot of cell lvls after I charge it next time.
 
#3 ·
That's a strange but positive sign. A bad battery module doesn't usually fix itself. It's possible the car's battery management system has rebalanced the cells, which can sometimes mask a weak module.

Don't trust it completely yet. Keep monitoring the cell levels, especially after a high charge. The problem could still reappear.
 
#8 ·
I imagine it like I have a flashlight with four batteries in series: three AA and one AAA.

What I notice is that if the ID4 pack is top-end balanced, then all the cells reach Full together. Which looks nice on the car scanner app graph when the pack is "full". But then during discharge, the weak one reaches low-voltage cutoff sooner. So it doesn't help at all that all the other cells still have some usable charge.

But the pack can instead become bottom-balanced, so that the cells all reach low cutoff voltage together. But then, during charging, the weak cell will reach full-charge voltage faster, and charging will end, leaving the other cells less than full.

Either way, the result is the same: the total power available is the capacity of the weakest cell, times the number of cells. In the "flashlight" example, that like having four AAA cells in series. It'll work just fine, but some of the capacity of the healthier/bigger cells is "locked out"

It sounds like maybe your pack is balanced at full; but could still be unbalanced at low SOC
 
#11 ·
Individual Cells cannot be replaced by VW. Individual Modules can. My 2021 is in the shop now having one module replaced because a singe cell in that module is 0.02V lower than the highest cell. Here is the last photo that the dealer sent yesterday. They are replacing 1 of the 12 silver modules inside the battery pack under warranty.
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#10 ·
how do you get a scan of battery modules?
Get a $30 dongle and the free car scanner app. That is what produced the bar graphs above. The figure that matters is the deltaV (difference between the highest and lowest cell voltage.)
if individual modules go bad, can they be replaced?
Yes a number of people here have had one module go bad and replaced under warranty, see:
 
#13 ·