[fireboy92k]

The ID.4 also includes clips, etc. that are designed to pull the brake pad back from the rotor/drum to remove the friction that remains from the constant drag of the breaking material being in contact in a 'conventional' braking system. There is a pinned thread with a link to a bunch of VW self-study documents, one of which is all about the braking system in great detail.

If you step on it hard, it WILL stop, and do so quickly. But, to quote Consumer Reports 'The pedal suffers from a soft, spongy feel (which isn’t uncommon among EVs and hybrids), and it requires that you push the pedal down farther to slow the ID.4 than with most vehicles.'

 

[fireboy92k]

It's an electro-mechanical brake servo

 

[fireboy92k]

Yep. Except here the computer is also controlling brake effort based on the input and blending it with the motor. You can push through that by applying more force.

I figured it wasn't a vacuum booster directly. It still at the end of the day does the same thing to add force to the force that your foot put on the pedal. It doesn't change the inverse ratio it just changes the amount of initial force needed to depress the rod to put pressure on the brake fluid.

 

[fireboy92k]

I for one appreciate it when folks provide links to their sources, even if they are paid sources that the author subscribes too. I try my best to also give direct credit or quote directly where I can when backing up 'facts'.

If you are refrerring to my post, my intention was only to give credit to the source. I feel uncomfortable just copy pasting stuff without giving credit where it is due.

 

[fireboy92k]

Well, I can find out that the book you claimed to credit actually exisits (assuming it's this one: German tanks of World War II: The complete illustrated history of German armoured fighting vehicles, 1926-1945: Senger und Etterlin, F. M. von: 9780891040088: Amazon.com: Books and German Tanks of World War 2 - Google Books ). Which only took about 2 minutes of my time.

I reckon if I really thought you were full of I could buy it for myself for $28. LOL

The one NeverhadanEVbefore sent is a link to a library login, so it proves nothing other than they like to Rick Roll people. And it makes any arguement less persusive rather I can read the source or not.

Whereas JLo provided a screenshot and a link. Now if I thought he was making an outlandish claim, maybe I'd want to pay for that myself to see what it had to say for myself. And while I can't, I'm at least more inclined to believe his reporting as accurate.

'Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence' - Carl Sagan

Example: Ford may have had a deal with Hitler whereas he could use Ford’s truck factories to build trucks for a monthly “lease” fee if he did not use them to build anything else because Ford needed them after WWII, no matter who won. -F.M. von Senger und Etterlin “German Tanks of WWII” page 43.

Can anyone verify that but me in the entire world? Probably just few hundred people at the most. So as far as anyone knows I am lying.

(I did make up the page because I don’t have the book in front of me 😂)

 

[fireboy92k]

Thanks for sharing the clipping. Gave me new site to go look at: Mustang ja Hyundai haastavat Volkswagenin ja Škodan TM:n sähköisten perheautojen vertailussa - Tekniikan Maailma Too bad they results, as you noted, as behind a pay wall here 20 - 19/2021 näköislehti - Näköislehti (tekniikanmaailma.fi)

It's unfortunate that magazines like this one don't get wider distribution in North America. We Americans have much to learn from those in Europe going into the EV beyond well before us. I see plenty of articles with very good test coverage in winter weather not only addressing range, but tires you mentioned, etc.

I subscribe to Motor Trend, Car and Driver, and Road & Track (the later not really being a car review magazine any longer but a lifestyle magazine centered around motoring). And none of them have even the beginnings of as much EV specific coverage as this Finish publication appears to have, let alone all the other outlets across Europe.

Well, it is a library login where one can read that particular magazine. Yes, I know it's not possible in this instance, but I'm not ignoring sources just because someone else doesn't have access.

Anyway, here is the full page. Dry asphalt, two people in the car, 100 to 0 braking. Distance is meters. Volkswagen tested was RWD ID.4.

They've also tested the GTX, but that test was on ice/snow where tires and the cars controls play the bigger factor as opposed to raw stopping ability.

 

[fireboy92k]

I just need to proofread better. LOL.

Motor Trend does long term tests but they are still petrol heads at heart and they haven‘t done much with EV cars. They’ve had some good articles and an issue here or there. But they’ve been slow on the uptake and I believe all your publications in Europe have been well ahead of us.

I think many people in the northern US would benefit from the cold weather tests. I’m originally from the Midwest and had family in Iowa and Minnesota where winter temps used to reliably be sub freezing and often subzero for weeks at a time in the winter. Global warming has messed with that of course but it still gets mighty cold.

Finnish. Double-n.

And yeah, they are quite comprehensive. I took a look at that - I can read it as an emag simply by having a library card, so no paywall, just need to use another portal to log in - and I believe it was 12 pages (although there were two pages of basically just an image). They also did a winter-test - relevant in Finland - which was divided between ICE, Hybrid and EV. The last one had I believe six cars and was 18 pages. Anything from range to consumption to charging to heating to track performance to braking.

They are also on the last leg of a 'use test' of and ID.4, which means actually using the car for a year or so, and reporting the results. Thousands of kilometers driven, daily use and road trips. Those offer quite a different view opposed to a two-day test or even a comprehensive review like the one referred to above.

We used to have that in America. What happened?

 

[fireboy92k]

Yeah, I wouldn't suggest that for sure. Guess you and @JLo will just have to summarize it for us if there is anything of note that we don't already know about.

I could screenshot you the article - or the VW parts - but you can't Google Translate images, so actually reading it would take a ridiculous effort on your end.