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It's so ironic to see the Bilstein banners hanging in the background of the Eibach workshop

 

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It's so ironic to see the Bilstein banners hanging in the background of the Eibach workshop

Apologies for being the pedant, but that's the TransportHQ workshop... an aftermarket mod shop.

Side note, do Eibach offer dampers? I think of them as a spring manufacturer. Maybe I don't drive sporty enough vehicles, but all they offer for the cars I've owned recently are springs.

 

[wdimhorn]

Let's hope that the customer holds on to the OEM springs and doesn't have to give them up as cores.
what's the advantage of getting Eibachs anyway ? will the tires at least last longer?

 

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I've never seen a core charge for springs (doesn't mean they don't simply get discarded for scrap), but it's been a while since I've bought a set.
The advantage of Eibachs (or H+R) is aesthetics. If they offered a spring + damper bundle you might be able to make an argument for handling, but as far as I know, neither Eibach or H+R offer dampers, so...

 

[wdimhorn]

I've never seen a core charge for springs (doesn't mean they don't simply get discarded for scrap), but it's been a while since I've bought a set.
The advantage of Eibachs (or H+R) is aesthetics. If they offered a spring + damper bundle you might be able to make an argument for handling, but as far as I know, neither Eibach or H+R offer dampers, so...

Ok, thank you!

 

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Apologies for being the pedant, but that's the TransportHQ workshop... an aftermarket mod shop.

Side note, do Eibach offer dampers? I think of them as a spring manufacturer. Maybe I don't drive sporty enough vehicles, but all they offer for the cars I've owned recently are springs.

Y, you're correct. My bad. Thanks.

Eibach does design and mfr their own dampers, anti-sway bars etc.

Lift Kits, Lowering Springs, Race Springs, Shocks & Sway Bars

Eibach engineers its products to ensure the safety and stability of the driver for maximum travel.

eibach.com

 

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I've never seen a core charge for springs (doesn't mean they don't simply get discarded for scrap), but it's been a while since I've bought a set.
The advantage of Eibachs (or H+R) is aesthetics. If they offered a spring + damper bundle you might be able to make an argument for handling, but as far as I know, neither Eibach or H+R offer dampers, so...

Both Eibach & H&R offer springs, dampers etc.

Lift Kits, Lowering Springs, Race Springs, Shocks & Sway Bars

Eibach engineers its products to ensure the safety and stability of the driver for maximum travel.

eibach.com

H&R Special Springs, LP.

Premium Quality Suspension Components

www.hrsprings.com

 

[La Fourmi]

what's the advantage of getting Eibachs anyway ?

In Europe underground car parks are usually 1.9 metres, VW know this and made the ID Buzz just under that, then some engineer decided he'd put a 3 cm antenna on the roof so it wouldn't fit... I probably won't bother with lowering springs on mine, but if I lived in or near a town and had to use underground car parks a lot, I would.

 

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In Europe underground car parks are usually 1.9 metres, VW know this and made the ID Buzz just under that, then some engineer decided he'd put a 3 cm antenna on the roof so it wouldn't fit... I probably won't bother with lowering springs on mine, but if I lived in or near a town and had to use underground car parks a lot, I would.

Whoa! That's low. Are the car parks designed by brain injury clinics? I know a lot of people taller than 190cm. You'd think an extra 10cm wouldn't be that expensive.
In other news, concussion rates increasing as people park off-street .

 

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Both Eibach & H&R offer springs, dampers etc.

I had a look before posting and didn't see dampers listed on either site. Unfortunately, Eibach don't even offer springs for the ID.4 :-(. But even when I took a look at cars previously in my garage (and a few friends garages), I didn't see dampers listed for any of them (Eibach or H+R). I didn't expect them to have dampers for every car, but a damper to match a spring offering for some/several/most would be nice.

I guess all they need is a damper for one year/make/model and they've meet their advertising. I'm just not that motivated to find it/them.

PS: I did see a few coil over kits, but those are a category beyond spring/damper kits. In theory, Eibach offer a Pro-Kit (springs), Pro-Damper (dampers), and a Pro-System (springs + dampers), but I saw neither dampers nor systems offered for any of the applications I searched for.

Personally, I like the aesthetic of a mildly lowered car, and the simplicity of a bolt on kit. But I'm not interested in bolting on just springs and ending up with an untuned suspension. And coil overs are too much for me - I'm never going to adjust them, and knowing my luck the spring perches would end up rusted to the shock body.

PPS: A few interesting tidbits from the sites.
1. The H+R site has an ID.4 as image 1 in their Gallery, and the same car appears in their Projects list: 2022 Volkswagen ID.4 AWD Pro S | H&R Special Springs, LP..
2. Eibach are asking for R&D volunteers (if only I live in SoCal): Lift Kits, Lowering Springs, Race Springs, Shocks & Sway Bars.

 

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Neither one of them offers damper apps for the MEB platform yet. I'm pretty sure WIP.

VW ID.4 | Suspension Tuning 1

www.vwidtalk.com

VW ID.4 | Suspension Tuning 2

2021+ Volkswagen ID.4 2WD; without DCC 2021+ Volkswagen ID.4 2WD; with DCC

www.vwidtalk.com

 

[La Fourmi]

Whoa! That's low. Are the car parks designed by brain injury clinics?

I guess if you're starting from scratch, 10cm doesn't make much difference. A lot of towns in Europe are pretty old, space is limited. Burrowing under existing buildings is not easy or cheap. Having said that, even when car parks are open air, there is often a 1.9m height barrier.
Last year we had to go to a large city, 250km away - no parking near our appointment that would take a 2.0m vehicle. Had to park further out and get a taxi.