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I just noticed that Electrify America has finally posted their Cycle 3 National Investment Plan:
Full plan
Summary

(For completeness, here's the Cycle 3 California plan, which had already been posted: Full Plan, Summary.)

In terms of the big picture, there isn't much new that wasn't revealed in their press release a couple weeks ago. New investments in a bunch of new metro areas, plus new regional routes:

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Here's a summary of specific routes:

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One interesting tidbit I came across is that moving forward, they'll be moving away from CHAdeMO and installing CSS exclusively. What other interesting things are hiding in the plan?
 

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Okay the only thing that helps me out is the completion of the I20 route . The only problem is that it is 200 miles from the Gulfport Mississippi EA station on I10 to the proposed EA station in Jackson MS ( assuming EA bothers to put a station at a State capital). ID4 highway range is 230 miles if nothing goes wrong. Frankly I am more likely to benefit from access to the already existing Tesla Supercharger network.
 

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Glad to see the I-20 expansion. I had been submitting that for a while. Now if they would only add a charger on HWY 287 from DFW to Amarillo. Submitted that request at least 2 times. They actually called back the first time and thanked me for my input. That was about a year ago.
 

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Anyone catch this on page 36?

The first step in this process was to identify the counties and census tracts to which drivers travel from major metro areas throughout the United States. For each metro area in our dataset, we examined anonymized cell phone data with origins and destinations of all vehicle trips greater than 75 miles in length to identify the top 20 destination counties from each metro area. Error! Reference source not found. shows top destination counties of drivers in the Atlanta MSA.
Even the PDF is buggy? :oops:
 

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Am I the only one who noticed that they posted New York City to Albany using I84. I 84 runs basically east and west and does run between NYC and Albany. But you can't get from NYC to Albany by using I84. Do they mean I87? Also, FWIW, there are no chargers along I86, the so-called Southern Tier Expressway.
 

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Also the route they list the most chargers along (Albert Lea, MN to Butte, MT) appears to be a big black void, without a single charger location. This makes no sense.
It's a big void now. It looks like they are proposing covering the 1100 mile I-90 route with 11 charging stations, nine stations on I-94. I can't wait to add this route to my free energy great circle trip.
 

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Well it's good to see Wyoming get fixed.
Agreed! Although it's curious that they're leaving a longer-than-usual gap east of Cheyenne. It seems to me that there should be a location in Kimball or Sidney, Nebraska. If I remember right, there's a Tesla Supercharger in Sidney.

I'd love to see more around Yellowstone, too. Maybe Jackson, Wyoming or West Yellowstone or Gardiner, Montana. And while they're at it, how about making National Park access easier everywhere? Tusayan, Arizona, Springdale & Moab, Utah, Estes Park, Colorado, Kalispell, Montana (it looks like this one might be coming), Carlsbad, New Mexico, Bar Harbor, Maine, etc. A lot of these locations wouldn't have made a lot of sense earlier, but now that the nationwide network can get you nearby, it'd be nice to see them included in Cycle 4.
 

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I hope that building all of these new stations actually turn into new EV adopters. Just talking to my family back home was laborious. They didn't even think that it was possible to consider an electric vehicle at this point. I don't imagine that it's much different for other people who are either out in a rural area or at the distant edge of the suburbs.
 

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Agreed! Although it's curious that they're leaving a longer-than-usual gap east of Cheyenne. It seems to me that there should be a location in Kimball or Sidney, Nebraska. If I remember right, there's a Tesla Supercharger in Sidney.

I'd love to see more around Yellowstone, too. Maybe Jackson, Wyoming or West Yellowstone or Gardiner, Montana. And while they're at it, how about making National Park access easier everywhere? Tusayan, Arizona, Springdale & Moab, Utah, Estes Park, Colorado, Kalispell, Montana (it looks like this one might be coming), Carlsbad, New Mexico, Bar Harbor, Maine, etc. A lot of these locations wouldn't have made a lot of sense earlier, but now that the nationwide network can get you nearby, it'd be nice to see them included in Cycle 4.
Will be interested to see how the opening of the Tesla supercharging network will help the buildout. More details and cost would be nice, but sure it won't be free like this. DFW to Amarillo already has 2 superchargers and drive it several times a year in my F150. The drive now in anything but Tesla would be a pain as you would have to go thru OKC and the west on I40 to be safe.
 

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Will be interested to see how the opening of the Tesla supercharging network will help the buildout. More details and cost would be nice, but sure it won't be free like this.
Has Tesla specifically announced the Supercharger network will be opened up in the United States, near future ('21-'22)? I didn't listen to the earnings call yesterday. All I have heard for certain is Norway by 9/22.
 

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As we know EV adoption in the USA is a '... chicken or the egg' thing. Thankfully it appears more eggs planned!
But yes, the existing broken eggs need to be more quickly replaced/repaired! [it's just as irritating and inconvenient when you pull into a gas station and the pump is offline].
I hope that building all of these new stations actually turn into new EV adopters. Just talking to my family back home was laborious. They didn't even think that it was possible to consider an electric vehicle at this point. I don't imagine that it's much different for other people who are either out in a rural area or at the distant edge of the suburbs.
 

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Has Tesla specifically announced the Supercharger network will be opened up in the United States, near future ('21-'22)? I didn't listen to the earnings call yesterday. All I have heard for certain is Norway by 9/22.
I do not trade stocks or listen to earning calls, but apparently, this was noted by Musk yesterday:
I am not sure I have an opinion on those comments at this time other than to note my previous concerns with respect to charging networks owned and operated by EV automakers that treat competitor EVs as "second class citizens".

Sincerely,

Adam J. Cook
 

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One more suggestion for EA, that their app accurately reflect the operational ability of the chargers. If they are broken each charger need to report it鈥檚 status to a central computer. The computer can then automatically notify the nearest repair man and maybe even tell him what parts to carry.
 

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One more suggestion for EA, that their app accurately reflect the operational ability of the chargers. If they are broken each charger need to report it鈥檚 status to a central computer. The computer can then automatically notify the nearest repair man and maybe even tell him what parts to carry.
That sounds more like an OEM issue for new installations. I doubt that that type of additional functionality would be able to be added to existing stations unless they already had some of the underlying technology.

I do agree that it should be developed and pushed out by all charging companies if they are going to take this seriously. I saw one Volta station here around San Diego that didn't even have all of the parts for the J1772 connector. You would think that something like that would be either reported or detected.

A simpler solution would be to just monitor which chargers are being used. If all of the chargers around it have delivered some measurable amount of electricity and one hasn't, then that one probably needs to be looked at.
 

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I reviewed the plans for Southern California. In addition to a few more metro area charger stations, the I8 and I10 corridors get a couple more each. The result is how it should be everywhere in the US eventually:

Along the I8 we get two more locations between El Cajon and El Centro. That puts a charge station at about every 35 miles. Or more practically speaking, this allows for an easy day trip into the local mountains or the desert, and wherever ones leaves the interstate or gets back to it, north or south, there will be a fast charger to replenish the battery. No worries ever, not even much planning.
Here鈥檚 hoping this is how it will pan out nationwide eventually.
 
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