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Anti-doctrine

Discussion Starter · Apr 14, 2021

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Hello to all ID 4 owners out there, I got my first edition almost a month ago and I love it, but I am having some problems with the EV route planner on the stock navigation, I will be moving to FL next month from NYC and I have added the route many times but my car is always telling me that I might not get there with the current state of charge (obviously). The route will be around 1.200 miles and the system doesn’t add any EV chargers to my route, what is worst is that last time added a couple gas stations (WTH), guys I am wondering if I am the only one or if there are other people with this issue. Can anyone help me ?

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ericy

· #2 · Apr 14, 2021

Anti-doctrine said:
Hello to all ID 4 owners out there, I got my first edition almost a month ago and I love it, but I am having some problems with the EV route planner on the stock navigation, I will be moving to FL next month from NYC and I have added the route many times but my car is always telling me that I might not get there with the current state of charge (obviously). The route will be around 1.200 miles and the system doesn’t add any EV chargers to my route, what is worst is that last time added a couple gas stations (WTH), guys I am wondering if I am the only one or if there are other people with this issue. Can anyone help me ?

Yeah, the stock navigation route planning is kind of weak. There are route planning apps that generally work better - ABetterRoutePlanner (ABRP) is one that most people seem to like. It isn't perfect, and still requires some tweaking. You mainly want to make sure that maximum charge is sane, and then add in amenity stops (meals and hotels with charging) in the appropriate spots.

What also works is if you are using ABRP on your phone, and once you have a route you like, share it with 'maps' - that transfers the route to Google Maps if you are using Android, and if you are using Android Auto, it will show you the route with the stops on the car screen.

I believe if you have iPhone, you can do something similar, but I don't have iPhone, so I can't give any details.

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Anti-doctrine

Discussion Starter · #3 · Apr 14, 2021

ericy said:
Yeah, the stock navigation route planning is kind of weak. There are route planning apps that generally work better - ABetterRoutePlanner (ABRP) is one that most people seem to like. It isn't perfect, and still requires some tweaking. You mainly want to make sure that maximum charge is sane, and then add in amenity stops (meals and hotels with charging) in the appropriate spots.

What also works is if you are using ABRP on your phone, and once you have a route you like, share it with 'maps' - that transfers the route to Google Maps if you are using Android, and if you are using Android Auto, it will show you the route with the stops on the car screen.

I believe if you have iPhone, you can do something similar, but I don't have iPhone, so I can't give any details.

ericy said:
Yeah, the stock navigation route planning is kind of weak. There are route planning apps that generally work better - ABetterRoutePlanner (ABRP) is one that most people seem to like. It isn't perfect, and still requires some tweaking. You mainly want to make sure that maximum charge is sane, and then add in amenity stops (meals and hotels with charging) in the appropriate spots.

What also works is if you are using ABRP on your phone, and once you have a route you like, share it with 'maps' - that transfers the route to Google Maps if you are using Android, and if you are using Android Auto, it will show you the route with the stops on the car screen.

I believe if you have iPhone, you can do something similar, but I don't have iPhone, so I can't give any details.

Ericy, I downloaded ABRP yesterday and seems to work fine, it actually might be better than the stock system, but I would
like to have EV stops on my stock navigation not gas stops, I don’t know if my system is the only corrupted or what’s going on. Does your stock navigation shows EV stops ?
thanks again.

ericy

· #4 · Apr 14, 2021

Anti-doctrine said:
Ericy, I downloaded ABRP yesterday and seems to work fine, it actually might be better than the stock system, but I would
like to have EV stops on my stock navigation not gas stops, I don’t know if my system is the only corrupted or what’s going on. Does your stock navigation shows EV stops ?
thanks again.

It does, but the EV stops it picks are useless. It wants to stop at hotels and coffee shops with L2 chargers. For each stop, you can usually have it search for something else nearby that might be more suitable, but that could be tedious to find a DCFC in the list of chargers that it shows you.

I have this recollection that at one point I went into the menus and turned on a couple of relevant points of interest - I thought EV charging stations was one of the things I turned on. Maybe this is why I see a different behavior.

It never offers gas stations however. Can't explain that.

Anti-doctrine

Discussion Starter · #5 · Apr 14, 2021

ericy said:
It does, but the EV stops it picks are useless. It wants to stop at hotels and coffee shops with L2 chargers. For each stop, you can usually have it search for something else nearby that might be more suitable, but that could be tedious to find a DCFC in the list of chargers that it shows you.

I have this recollection that at one point I went into the menus and turned on a couple of relevant points of interest - I thought EV charging stations was one of the things I turned on. Maybe this is why I see a different behavior.

It never offers gas stations however. Can't explain that.

Thanks again for the quick response
Have a good day

NBCGLX

· #6 · Apr 14, 2021

I think you need to adjust the navigation settings to have it automatically include charging stops. The gas station stops you're seeing aren't for "fuel," I think they're to take a break in driving. The ID.4 has attention assist or something that many cars have now, where it recommends breaks after a certain amount of driving (or if it detects you're getting tired by monitoring things like accelerator pedal position, steering wheel movements, time/distance driven since last stop, etc.).

That being said, since the ID.4 won't yet prioritize Electrify America chargers, or even just prefer high-speed DCFC's in general, it's probably best to plan out your route via ABRP given how long of a drive you'll be making. Take the time to go through the ABRP settings to be specific to your vehicle and your driving habits and conditions, and it'll be eerily accurate in its route planning.

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Anti-doctrine

Discussion Starter · #7 · Apr 15, 2021

NBCGLX said:
I think you need to adjust the navigation settings to have it automatically include charging stops. The gas station stops you're seeing aren't for "fuel," I think they're to take a break in driving. The ID.4 has attention assist or something that many cars have now, where it recommends breaks after a certain amount of driving (or if it detects you're getting tired by monitoring things like accelerator pedal position, steering wheel movements, time/distance driven since last stop, etc.).

That being said, since the ID.4 won't yet prioritize Electrify America chargers, or even just prefer high-speed DCFC's in general, it's probably best to plan out your route via ABRP given how long of a drive you'll be making. Take the time to go through the ABRP settings to be specific to your vehicle and your driving habits and conditions, and it'll be eerily accurate in its route planning.

NBCGLX, thanks for the feedback, i will Olán my route on ABRP hopefully we will get an OTA update that shows EA

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Jcid4cesare 21

· #8 · Apr 21, 2021

Anti-doctrine said:
NBCGLX, thanks for the feedback, i will Olán my route on ABRP hopefully we will get an OTA update that shows EA

ON ABRP app go to settings on vehicle settings, input your i.e. VW id4, and it automatically set to look for charging stations it will show EA stations on your route

ericy

· #9 · May 1, 2021

ericy said:
It does, but the EV stops it picks are useless. It wants to stop at hotels and coffee shops with L2 chargers. For each stop, you can usually have it search for something else nearby that might be more suitable, but that could be tedious to find a DCFC in the list of chargers that it shows you.

I was playing a bit with the stock navigation. Someone suggested that if you mark your preferred charging stops as favorites, that it would preferentially charge at those. So I started looking up addresses of EA stations along I-95, and started trying to add them as favorites. What I found was interesting - the car had no notion of any 350kW chargers at many of the sites. I could plug in the address and look at the map - no little charging icon anywhere that it was supposed to be.

I tried to "plan" a trip, and what I found was that it was picking the preferred charging stops I had previously entered, but since it had no notion of what kind of charging might be available there, it seemed to assume that it was only L2 (I could tell simply by looking at how long the recommended charging stops would be).

So at the moment, it sort of seems like the major limitation is a lack of knowledge of the existence of various DCFC.

The thing I don't know right now is whether the car's notion of DCFC is fixed (and can't be adjusted until the next navigation maps update), or comes from the cloud. Some cars let you supplement the POI database (from a memory stick or SD card) - I haven't seen anything of the sort for ID.4 as of yet. I suppose it would have to be on a USB-C memory stick.

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nigela

· #10 · May 1, 2021

I just went through the categories available in the navigation system, they were all off by default. I turned on a few that looked useful. “SEAT dealer” probably won’t be too useful for me.

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VoltsWagen21

· #11 · May 24, 2021

I am currently on a 2200 mile road trip in my FE, and I will have to say the navigation is aggravating to say it politely.
Stock Nav chooses long lists L2 chargers even if there are 350kw chargers along the route. We found you have to zoom in on the area where the fast charger is and wait for the system to search locations and then select the 350kw charger. The route planner then calculated into the route, but usually not in the correct order. So then you have to move it in the right side panel into the correct order. Just a lot harder than it should be.
I ended up planning the trip in the ABRP app. It works with apple car play but my phone heats up from running the app and I’d rather just use the stock system.
So my thought was to plan the route in ABRP and transfer the charge locations to the stock Nav. This proved more difficult than it should have been. Adding charging stations is not very intuitive or even stop over points for that matter.
It ended up working out doing it this way but it took a lot of fumbling around and starting over a few times.

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ericy

· #12 · May 24, 2021

VoltsWagen21 said:
I ended up planning the trip in the ABRP app. It works with apple car play but my phone heats up from running the app and I’d rather just use the stock system.
So my thought was to plan the route in ABRP and transfer the charge locations to the stock Nav. This proved more difficult than it should have been. Adding charging stations is not very intuitive or even stop over points for that matter.

I found it trivial to transfer from ABRP to AA. But to get to the stock navigation, there is no easy way that I have found. One issue I found is that some of the EA stations are simply missing as POI, and the car isn't going to stop and charge at a charger that it doesn't know about. It isn't clear to me where one is supposed to go to report map errors - it isn't quite the same as reporting generic software bugs.

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gorj

· #13 · Jun 1, 2021

I find the stock Nav. in the ID4 really stupid compared to even an old Garmin! The voice control for the Nav. is often useless. It will not just take an address, especially if it is in another state. It often can not find POI's. As soon as I have time I am going to hook up my phone to Android Auto and use nav. from my phone.

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VoltsWagen21

· #14 · Jun 1, 2021

gorj said:
I find the stock Nav. in the ID4 really stupid compared to even an old Garmin! The voice control for the Nav. is often useless. It will not just take an address, especially if it is in another state. It often can not find POI's. As soon as I have time I am going to hook up my phone to Android Auto and use nav. from my phone.

I have also found this to be true.

Flmatthew

· #15 · Aug 18, 2021

Anti-doctrine said:
Hello to all ID 4 owners out there, I got my first edition almost a month ago and I love it, but I am having some problems with the EV route planner on the stock navigation, I will be moving to FL next month from NYC and I have added the route many times but my car is always telling me that I might not get there with the current state of charge (obviously). The route will be around 1.200 miles and the system doesn’t add any EV chargers to my route, what is worst is that last time added a couple gas stations (WTH), guys I am wondering if I am the only one or if there are other people with this issue. Can anyone help me ?

The system is horrible and they know it but don't seem to care. It should be fixed by now. If you have the electrify America app use to to show charger locations. We all need to scream until VW fixed the problem with showing us chargers we want and ones we get free. Not level 2 that take twelve hours. So stupid for such a big company . There are also other route planners at the app stores you can use .

Tardisman

· #16 · Aug 29, 2021

It appears there is is a new version of the EA app that will work with Android Auto as well as Google maps. So hopefully this will mean better trip planning.

Flmatthew

· #17 · Aug 29, 2021

Anti-doctrine said:
NBCGLX, thanks for the feedback, i will Olán my route on ABRP hopefully we will get an OTA update that shows EA

VW is going to update so that EA will appear along with only high speed chargers. They will push the update either second week of September or end of December. This is what they told me. They were not sure if all the fixes could be done by September push. They are promising a OTA every 12 weeks. We shall see.

heavyt

· #18 · Aug 29, 2021

From September to December, that is a big start window. I wish they could narrow it! 🤪

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ericy

· #19 · Aug 30, 2021

heavyt said:
From September to December, that is a big start window. I wish they could narrow it! 🤪

The 2.3 release is essentially done, and already released to a small number of testers. Nobody has indicated any huge change in functionality - mostly bugfixes and performance. The rest of us supposedly will get that in Sept.

The next update after that is supposedly December timeframe. Supposedly it will be the '3.0' release, but nobody really knows what they really plan to have in there.

That being said, VW has already demonstrated the ability to push down their own apps to cars, and that's not really tied to the quarterly release cycle. The proof of concept that I have seen is related to helping find chargers.

Tardisman

· #20 · Aug 31, 2021

heavyt said:
From September to December, that is a big start window. I wish they could narrow it! 🤪

That's like the cable company telling me my tech appointment on a given day would arrive between 7:30am and 6:00pm. Way to nail it down.

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