For the 2023 AWD Pro S it's 255 miles EPA, I tend to get more in the spring and summer but it's probably closer to 220 on average in the winter and in very cold weather maybe 200. With that said, you really just need to see what the weather is like during those 200-mile trips. For a roughly 3-hour trip, I would assume you might want to stop for a pee break, so you can easily charge up while you're going to the bathroom and then just leave when you're ready to go (no need to wait to get to 80%. I'd just make sure that if your family has a Tesla charger that you have a good quality NACS to CCS adapter. If the range makes you a little uncomfortable, you can always wait until the 2024 model comes out in just a few short months which will have a better, updated, quicker infotainment system and an improved motor that appears to improve efficiency according to VW. Even if it's only 5%, that's potentially an extra 10 miles in colder weather putting you between say 210 and 230 miles for colder weather (just a guess) and closer to 270-290 for warmer weather. With that said, again, unless she normally goes 3 hours without stopping to go to the bathroom, it shouldn't be too much of an inconvenience.

 

200 mile trip in winter is recipe for disaster

 

With our AWD, I regularly do a 200 mile round trip to our beach house, half on NJ Turnpike, half on Delaware state highways with lower speed limit… but it’s never been a problem if we charge to 100% first. Arrive mid 20’s in summer, fall and spring, and high teens in winter.

 

Looking into an ID4 and I can't find exact numbers for what to expect exactly for a winter range

This is because there is no exact number. Here are the variables, and all depend on you and your trip: How fast are you driving? How cold is it? Is there wind? How much do you like heated seats and steering? (and are willing to set the dash heat lower by using them?) Do you preheat the cabin while still hooked to EVSE before you start when <32F? At <32F I expect 190 miles range with highway 70mph being the biggest factor by far. My AWD lowers my range by about 2 miles versus RWD since I don't do any quick starts on highway and 2 miles less is what the extra 223 pounds of weight of AWD causes. The 20 miles difference is only on EPA test where they do a lot of quick starts and stops, and maybe you do too. But I always exceed EPA, with my AWD I easily get 3.9mi/kwh = 300 miles range when not on highway.

 

200 miles in winter is going to be pushing it for the current generation AWD ID.4, assuming freezing temps, heater running, and winter tires.

I’d hold off until the 2024 ID.4 comes out, they’re rumored to have significantly better range.

 

I’d hold off until the 2024 ID.4 comes out, they’re rumored to have significantly better range.

I don't know if it's significantly better. I've only read "improved" (or similar words). I can see the AWD EPA moving from 255 to 270-280 range (5-10% improvement). If that's the case, that's still better...but just want to temper expectations (for myself as well, because I'd also consider getting a second ID.4!)

 

Wife hates EVs so I need to be able to make it in 1 trip to avoid getting yelled at

Leave the wife home. Problem solved!

 

In the northern Winter, starting at 100% State-of-Charge and travelling at reasonable (e.g., posted) highway speeds, you WILL NOT be able to make a 200 mile trip in the AWD without recharging or running into scary state-of-charge territory. (You might be able to make the trip in the RWD but I have no experience there.)

And if you drive on New Hampshire highways at the prevailing speed of ~75 MPH, your 80% charge range in the AWD will be ~145 miles (and I can state that very reliably).

 

I dont know, I'll take up that challenge as long as I can run between 65-70. My snow titres go ion next week and we are looking at high 20's early morning..week and a half or so.

For me really nice know as the Tesla Magic doc 50 now open and we have 180kW Circle K (Holiday Stationstore) opening up in 5 weeks or so. (contruction as started) . Going to be a good winte rin my neck of the woods thhis year not worrying about range.

I'll certainly be posting range over our Minnesota winter. I think 200 miles on a 25F day (little wind) should be doable.. 20 Below zero..umm yeah not so much

 

I get pretty much the same mileage in the winter as I do in the summer but we don't really have winters in Texas. Driving style and speed are very big factors on range. if you stay below 65mph, you have significatly better range. Temps will make a significant difference if you are driving in very cold temps.

 

And if you drive on New Hampshire highways at the prevailing speed of ~75 MPH, your 80% charge range in the AWD will be ~145 miles (and I can state that very reliably).

I just moved to New Hampshire, I’ve been wondering how the range would hold up in winter. I had guessed 160 miles, so I’m a little bit reassured by your 145 miles at 80% figure.

I was a little surprised how fast everyone drives on the freeway given the police presence!

 

Last winter (very cold, extreme amounts of snow) we averaged 210-230. This was mainly on trips to-and-from skiing with speeds < 60 mph as the roads were ice sheets for months at a time. 2022 AWD Pro S with Blizzak tires.

 

I live in North Central Wisconsin and had our '22 AWD Pro S since December of 2022. When it was -20, we were lucky to get 170 on the GOM. Driving ~75 at below zero you are looking at 150? Plan accordingly.

 

Thanks for the replies. For context, I'd be driving from southern Delaware to north jersy just outside of NYC, Glenn Ridge to be exact. According to google maps the shortest route is 189 miles. Visiting for the holidays and also a trip at the end of february. It doesn't usually get mega cold, but I would guess maybe in the 20-35 degree range. But, I would likely have to stop and go tinkle since I have a bladder the size of a 4 year old, so I could charge up for 5-10 minutes while we stop. At first we were looking into hybrids, but there's none I really like besides Jeep and they're disgustingly expensive nowadays. I'm not really a fan of Tesla's look, so really the ID4 is the only EV I'd like to have right now. I do kind of like the look of the new chevy equinox if it ever comes out, but hate that they're banning apple carplay in them. Kind of a deal breaker for me.

Whenever I get a new car I always get one around this time of year and get the leftover models since they are usually marked down a bit to make room for new ones, I'm sure the 2024's will cost a bunch more so I'm looking for a 23 at the moment. Anyway, test driving a Pro S on Saturday finally

 

I went through two St. Louis winters with my '21 RWD ID4. We don't have continuous Minnesota winters, but we have several very cold spells -- below 20 F. for highs with some nights at zero or below. During those periods I'd see my range drop by 40% or more. However, when temps were above freezing, say mid-30s and up, the car didn't do too badly, say a 10% to 15% range loss. I used my ID4 mainly for city driving and had a garage with a charger, so in winter I typically went from charging twice a week to three times a week.

 

Anyway, test driving a Pro S on Saturday finally

The AWD models are a bit quicker, come with a heated windshield and a tow hitch.

A 200 mile winter trip should include a short charging stop just to ensure a comfortable trip (heat, bladder & fatigue)....no matter if RWD or AWD.

 

The AWD models are a bit quicker, come with a heated windshield and a tow hitch.

A 200 mile winter trip should include a short charging stop just to ensure a comfortable trip (heat, bladder & fatigue)....no matter if RWD or AWD.

The heated windshield alone, if you live somewhere it gets cold, is worth it! Not to mention the extra 100 horsepower…

 

I do think that I’d be excited to see the range improvement in the 2024… Polestar boosted the range of their 2 significantly with new motors, new silicon carbide inverters and tweaks to the battery pack that lead to an extra 3 kWh of capacity. I suspect VW will be doing the same with the refreshed ID.4.

 

For 200 miles in winter, I would plan a charging stop, even if it were a quick "splash and go". I found that our average mileage was about 10% less than EPA during our very mild Pacific NW winters, which would imply about 230 miles. A colder environment would likely be significantly less range. During summer, though, we routinely see about 280.

I suppose it depends on how daring you are ... or how concerned about being yelled at ... or what options you have to bail out and charge a tiny bit near your destination.

Dave

 

This is why we need a heat pump! There are a fair amount of 300+ mile EVs now that have heat pumps (Polestar 2 RWD, Cadillac Lyriq RWD, BMW i4, Ford F150 Lightning 2024+, Fisker Ocean Ultra & Extreme, all Teslas) and it seems like VW needs to get with the program here…

 

This is why we need a heat pump! There are a fair amount of 300+ mile EVs now that have heat pumps (Polestar 2 RWD, Cadillac Lyriq RWD, BMW i4, Ford F150 Lightning 2024+, Fisker Ocean Ultra & Extreme, all Teslas) and it seems like VW needs to get with the program here…

I was reading that the added weight and cost of the heat pump are at odds with the benefits. But yeah I’d like to have one, I live in NH so it would probably be worth it.

 

I’ve heard that too, but I can’t imagine it’s that much more weight… it’s basically an air-conditioning compressor which we already have, right?

 

I’ve heard that too, but I can’t imagine it’s that much more weight… it’s basically an air-conditioning compressor which we already have, right?

I used to have a BMW i3 BEV, which had a heat pump. The range extender models did not - they used the space reserved for the heat pump to accommodate the gas generator. My i3 BEV had a big decrease in range when I used the heater in Oregon winters, or the AC during heat waves. Heat pumps are very efficient, but can’t perform miracles.

 

Range will vary. No way to know the EXACT number because there are so many variables.

 

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I always hear range , range range
Range doesn’t matter. Are you in such a hurry that a 20 min stop. Is critical. To your arrival
I have the ‘AWD’. I loose maybe 10% on cold days. Remember cabin heat helps the battery stay warm use climate in the garage to heat your cabin prior to traveling

 

Looks like you have lots of info here but here is one more data point. I routinely make a 122 mile trip in Montana winter (up and over one mountain pass) in my RWD Pro S. Doing 75-80, I can make this trip starting at 100% and ending at about 15%. With your much wetter and thus heavier air on the east coast eating more range, I'd not try a 200 mile trip.