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Let's start with the things I did like, and most of the comparisons I'm making are in relation to my current VW, a 2018 Mk7.5 GTI w/DCC and the DSG which I already love and having a hard time parting with 馃お.
  • I lovedthe instant EV torque. Even though on paper the ID.4 is slower than my GTI, it didn't feel like it to me.
    • The torque delivery is not as whiplash inducing as like what I've experienced in a LR Model 3, but also smoother than the peaky 2.0 I4 Turbo in my current car.
    • Highway passing from 55-75 wasn't difficult at all either. The ID.4 actually kind of reminds me of the fun nature of the BMW i3, but more mature and better composed on the road.
  • The RWD handling characteristics was also proper fun. It was nice to power out of a corner and not feel like the car is going to under-steer. The steering itself was also pretty direct, but a little "softer" than I'd like even in it's sport mode. However, no where near as dull as the Tiguan loaner I've had before.
  • The ID.4 also doesn't have that floaty body roll laden ride I was expecting a SUV to have. However, while I'd still give the lead in handling to the GTI, the ID.4 did leave me impressed and it tackled corners competently.
  • The actual drive is so quiet. I've gotten used to all the road noise I hear in my GTI, and driving the ID.4 today was so serene. I do enjoy road trips in my GTI, but man the ID.4s cabin feels like it would be an excellent highway cruiser to just eat up the miles in...quietly with 0 emissions!
  • Build quality was excellent as well, as I would've expected from Volkswagen. Not a single rattle, creak, or squeak during my entire test drive...and Houston doesn't have the most forgiving roads either. I didn't see a single door, headlight, taillight, or panel that was misaligned either, unlike some of the competitors. The actual doors themselves also had a much more solid "thunk" to them than the ones in my GTI do.
  • Figuring out the one pedal driving wasn't too hard either, drove most of the test drive in B mode and I quickly figured out how to feather the accelerator to not have jerky deccelerations.
  • I also do love that VW is offering 3 years free of Electrify America DCFC! To me, that is like buying a new GTI/R today and being told we're giving you free & unlimited 93 octane gas. That is a huge incentive!
  • I loved the Blue Color too, and I wish VW had more variety and fun colors to the ID.4's color palate. Hell, even Cornflower Blue may look great on the ID.4 too!
Now to the only big dislike I had:
  • The sound system.
    • I'd say with the songs I tried, the base system in the ID.4 is just marginally better than the base stereo in the Mk7-7.5 Golfs. The ID.4's is probably good enough for most people, but for me having a good sound system is a hard stop requirement.
    • The songs I tried included songs from Limp Bizkit, Metallica, Red Hot Chili Peppers, Cage the Elephant, Silverstein, and some live albums that I know sound amazing on the Fender system that left me disappointed in the ID.4 system.
    • The ID.4's system while clear sounding, it doesn't separate out the instruments as well as the Fender system does, nor does the ID.4's system have that deep punch from the drums and bass guitar notes the Fender system reproduces so well.
    • Ultimately, while I loved the ID.4 overall, a good sound system is one of the things I can not live without in a car as one of the reasons I ended up picking the GTI over it's competitors was because of how much more I liked the Fender system over the harman/kardon and Sony from the WRX and FoST, respectively. Maybe I'm a little crazy, but I even prefer the Fender system in the GTI to the Bose system in my friend's Porsche.
    • Also, no, I don't want to do anything aftermarket with the sound system.
This leaves me with, well, what next? I'm fairly certain the ID.4 is going to be high on the list for my next car. I would definitely put a deposit down and order an ID.4 Pro S today, but I don't think I will just yet because of the sound system. Hopefully we get a Fender system they're already using in the Tiguan and Atlas, or the Harman/Kardon from Europe in the ID.4 someday soon? Maybe I'll grow impatient and just suck it up and order one down the line who knows lol, but again I don't mind waiting it out.

I'm not in a particular hurry to trade in my GTI yet anyways, as I've mentioned earlier I do love my little hot hatch. It's paid off, still has that long warranty VW offered back in 2018, and hasn't caused me any major problems. Another caveat is, I'm not entirely sold on the whole SUV craze, and if by some miracle VWoA decides to announce the ID.3 coming to the US I'd probably buy that instead the ID.4.

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Funny that you mention the i3, because my husband and I both drove the ID.4 during the local Roadshow stop, and we both commented that the ID.4 felt like a bigger version of our i3. That's a good thing. The stereo certainly didn't blow me away, but we thought it was acceptable. I don't think the Beats stereo in our Jetta sounds any better (though it has a ton of bass if you want it), to be honest. The h/k in our MINI definitely sounds better, and the base "hi-fi" stereo in our BMW (not the i3) is probably on par or just a bit better. I won't lie, I'm bummed about the lack of a premium stereo option, particularly on the rather expensive Pro S trim (especially with the AWD, as we've ordered). But from what I heard during the Roadshow it's not a dealbreaker for us.
 

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I'm curious why you wouldn't be interested in aftermarket sound upgrades? Maybe my knowledge is out of date and newer cars have more complex speaker hookups, but theoretically even just a speaker swap would be extremely simple to do and could improve things considerably.
 

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You might have to step up to the Audi Q4 e-tron to get a better OEM sound system. It supposedly has a Sonos developed system.
 

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Funny that you mention the i3, because my husband and I both drove the ID.4 during the local Roadshow stop, and we both commented that the ID.4 felt like a bigger version of our i3. That's a good thing. The stereo certainly didn't blow me away, but we thought it was acceptable. I don't think the Beats stereo in our Jetta sounds any better (though it has a ton of bass if you want it), to be honest. The h/k in our MINI definitely sounds better, and the base "hi-fi" stereo in our BMW (not the i3) is probably on par or just a bit better. I won't lie, I'm bummed about the lack of a premium stereo option, particularly on the rather expensive Pro S trim (especially with the AWD, as we've ordered). But from what I heard during the Roadshow it's not a dealbreaker for us.
Yeah! I actually loved the I3, it's a fun quirky little hatch back just like the GTI! BMW/Mini also does a good H/K system, I liked the H/K in the F30 I tried out a couple years ago as well.
 

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I'm curious why you wouldn't be interested in aftermarket sound upgrades? Maybe my knowledge is out of date and newer cars have more complex speaker hookups, but theoretically even just a speaker swap would be extremely simple to do and could improve things considerably.
I don't want to mess with wiring on newer cars.

Plus it's not just a matter of throwing in new speakers, Fender, Bowers & Wilkins, Burmester, Bang & Olufsen, Harman/Kardon, and all the others also have their own DSP profiles to create their respective sound signatures.
 

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You might have to step up to the Audi Q4 e-tron to get a better OEM sound system. It supposedly has a Sonos developed system.
Definitely would love to give that one a go! Although, I wish I was bathing in Audi level of money for a new car budget :LOL:.
 

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Definitely would love to give that one a go! Although, I wish I was bathing in Audi level of money for a new car budget :LOL:.
It is supposed to start below $45k but I鈥檓 sure the Sonos won鈥檛 be on that base level.
 
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Give it a year. Once Chattanooga is pumping out ID.4s, we'll probable see an upgraded audio option in the US.
that鈥檚 what I鈥檓 hoping for! I just got to be patient enough for it 馃槅.
 

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Not sure how the US version sound system compared to the Euro one, but I too was a bit disappointed when trying out a couple of ID4s here. The sound was "ok" but lacked that broad, clear sound I've gotten used to with the HK system in my BMW. I really wouldn't let that one aspect keep me from getting an ID4 though, there should be plenty of aftermarket options available and a good shop should be able to create a setup that gives you great sound.

There were some other aspects of the ID4 that I did not get along with so ended up getting a maxed out e-Niro, and at least here in Europe it comes with a pretty damn nice JBL system that was about on par with what I have today. Also tried out the Kona with the Krell system and it was pretty good (very punchy bass) but didn't sound as clear and open as the Niro one. The Kona would probably do better with Rammstein, while the Niro worked great with e.g. Ane Brun. The ID4? Maybe NPR.
 

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I applaud VW designers/marketeers attempt to have it drive as a GTI, even as I didn't believe it would actually be so given the significantly larger form-fit of the ID.4. And frankly I too don't think it does. But for its size and weight it does quite well, especially its relatively small turning radius, and it is of course a more comfortable ride than a "hot hatch."

I also didn't have any Great Expectations for the ID.4 audio system, but it's fine for me. Heck, there are many who complained about the premium HK system in my prior Audi TTS (albeit not including their full subwoofer due to space constraints).

Not to worry, there will likely be all sorts of options in the out years, and if not the aftermarket. VW USA just needed to hit a specific demographic-competitive price point in this inaugural year.
 

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Not sure how the US version sound system compared to the Euro one, but I too was a bit disappointed when trying out a couple of ID4s here. The sound was "ok" but lacked that broad, clear sound I've gotten used to with the HK system in my BMW. I really wouldn't let that one aspect keep me from getting an ID4 though, there should be plenty of aftermarket options available and a good shop should be able to create a setup that gives you great sound.

There were some other aspects of the ID4 that I did not get along with so ended up getting a maxed out e-Niro, and at least here in Europe it comes with a pretty damn nice JBL system that was about on par with what I have today. Also tried out the Kona with the Krell system and it was pretty good (very punchy bass) but didn't sound as clear and open as the Niro one. The Kona would probably do better with Rammstein, while the Niro worked great with e.g. Ane Brun. The ID4? Maybe NPR.
at the very least I鈥檓 hoping VW offers a dealer option to do something like the Helix sub they did for the non-Fender Golfs.
But again, I鈥檓 not the biggest fan of messing with wiring on a new electronics laden car.
 

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I applaud VW designers/marketeers attempt to have it drive as a GTI, even as I didn't believe it would actually be so given the significantly larger form-fit of the ID.4. And frankly I too don't think it does. But for its size and weight it does quite well, especially its relatively small turning radius, and it is of course a more comfortable ride than a "hot hatch."

I also didn't have any Great Expectations for the ID.4 audio system, but it's fine for me. Heck, there are many who complained about the premium HK system in my prior Audi TTS (albeit not including their full subwoofer due to space constraints).

Not to worry, there will likely be all sorts of options in the out years, and if not the aftermarket. VW USA just needed to hit a specific demographic-competitive price point in this inaugural year.
Im hoping someone from the ID.4 team comes across this and is like 鈥減ssst鈥e should bring the H/K to the US cars鈥 馃お

Id be happy with the Fender system too. I love the sound signature the Fender system has.
 

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I'll take a look at the ID4 and other EVs when my VW lease terminates in Jan of 2023. Hopefully VW and EA will fix all of their issues by then...who knows?
 

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Yes, likely many more EV options that far off. Ok, see you then.
I'll take a look at the ID4 and other EVs when my VW lease terminates in Jan of 2023. Hopefully VW and EA will fix all of their issues by then...who knows?
 

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I don't want to mess with wiring on newer cars.

Plus it's not just a matter of throwing in new speakers, Fender, Bowers & Wilkins, Burmester, Bang & Olufsen, Harman/Kardon, and all the others also have their own DSP profiles to create their respective sound signatures.
I installed this on my MK7 GTI because I didn't like the sound. It's a subwoofer/amp that plugs directly into the stock wiring harness, and is a VW blessed product. I hope the ID.4 has something similar avaliable.

 

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I installed this on my MK7 GTI because I didn't like the sound. It's a subwoofer/amp that plugs directly into the stock wiring harness, and is a VW blessed product. I hope the ID.4 has something similar avaliable.

Yeah thats the Helix sub that was a dealership option you can install! I don't mind something like that. Hopefully VW does offer something similar for the ID.4.
 
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