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I am about to take delivery of my long waited ID.4 however due to the high costs of payment, I have to re-evaluate everything including the “free 3 year unlimited electrify America charging”.

The main question, particularly to the current ID.4 owners is: are there any account opening fees for electrify America? Monthly membership fees? Literally any fees I should know?
Is there even a catch or is it really as simple as everyone says? Literally free electricity for 3 years?
Your help is much appreciated as this can really finalize my decisions.

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You have to transfer $10 into your account in the event you incur idle fees. That aside, I haven't been charged for any sessions and haven't incurred any idle fees. The car tells you the ETA to finish charging and you can check the app every 20 mins or so if you're not in your vehicle just to be sure charging didn't stop. You get a grace period of 10 minutes idle/not charging before you incur fees.
 

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I've invested $10 in my EA account -- that's the deposit you put down when you open an account. The $10 is for idle fees if you leave your car blocking the charger stall after your car has finished charging. Otherwise, the charging I've done at EA chargers has been totally free. It is a legit deal.

That said, you should log on to the EA web site and see where the available EA chargers are located with respect to where you live and the routes you plan to drive. I mostly charge at my house with a L2 charger. There are 2 EA charging stations in my area -- one about 19 miles away and the other about 24 miles. Neither is convenient for my routine trips around town. So for me, the EA chargers are mostly a road trip feature. Even then, you should look at what's available along the highways you'll be on for your trips.

Finally, keep in mind that even if you are paying charging costs out of your own pocket, it is usually cheaper than filling a gas tank. My charging at home is about a quarter of what I was previously spending on gasoline.
 

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It's free for 3 years, but idle fees are additional. If you think the payment is too high and out of your price range, you really should rethink your purchase and maybe get a cheaper car instead? Not a great financial decision if you're stressing out about the payment.
 

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It's free for 3 years, but idle fees are additional. If you think the payment is too high and out of your price range, you really should rethink your purchase and maybe get a cheaper car instead? Not a great financial decision if you're stressing out about the payment.
I have never owned an EV so not sure even how much a charge costs, that’s even why I asked this… on average of 3 years a car can consume up to $5-6k just in gasoline! So I wanted to know if electricity is anything I should be counting for in terms of costs.
 

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I think EA is using the offer as a way to beta test their stations. Without having free charging, most people would only use DC fast charge on long trips or when away from home. The big drawbacks to using DC fast charging include possible battery degradation and cost. EA is building out quite rapidly and from what I’ve seen and heard most stations aren’t very busy. Whatever deal they made with VW will give them some return on investment while demand increases.
Most ID4 owners will do most of their charging at an L2 either at home or at work for the convenience and to save battery capacity. If you have solar power you could be charging at home for free which is much more convenient than spending time at a station.
 

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I have never owned an EV so not sure even how much a charge costs, that’s even why I asked this… on average of 3 years a car can consume up to $5-6k just in gasoline! So I wanted to know if electricity is anything I should be counting for in terms of costs.
It depends on what your electricity costs but it should be much cheaper than gas. Average driving is around 10,000 miles per year, I can easily get 3.4 miles per kW from my ID.4 so figure about 3,000 kW per year. Where I live with an EV you can get time of use rates so from 10p to 8a I pay 4,8 cents per kW. That’s less than $150 per year. With solar that can be reduced to zero depending on your system. Without TOU rates we are at 10 cents per kW so still like $300 per year or $900 over 3 years.
 

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I have never owned an EV so not sure even how much a charge costs, that’s even why I asked this… on average of 3 years a car can consume up to $5-6k just in gasoline! So I wanted to know if electricity is anything I should be counting for in terms of costs.
How many miles do you drive monthly?

In rough numbers, it takes 300kWh to move an ID.4 1,000 miles.

Where I'm at, it's 16¢ per kWh, so just shy of $50 to drive 1,000.
 

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I have never owned an EV so not sure even how much a charge costs, that’s even why I asked this… on average of 3 years a car can consume up to $5-6k just in gasoline! So I wanted to know if electricity is anything I should be counting for in terms of costs.
You'll want to factor in charging time as well, as obviously, charging takes long than filling up at a gas station. If time is money to you, you'll want to think about that as well.
 

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I think EA is using the offer as a way to beta test their stations. Without having free charging, most people would only use DC fast charge on long trips or when away from home. The big drawbacks to using DC fast charging include possible battery degradation and cost. EA is building out quite rapidly and from what I’ve seen and heard most stations aren’t very busy. Whatever deal they made with VW will give them some return on investment while demand increases.
Most ID4 owners will do most of their charging at an L2 either at home or at work for the convenience and to save battery capacity. If you have solar power you could be charging at home for free which is much more convenient than spending time at a station.
Nissan Leaf had a similar arrangement with EVGo.
 

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It's a very good "due diligence" concern and thereby question. Historically I've avoided electrically-based systems, such as residential electric baseboard heat & electric domestic hot water, as rates in my area are relatively high @ 0.105 supply rate but effective 0.14.9/kWh incl. extensive taxes/transmission fees, and no off-peak rates.
But compared to gasoline prices in my area, especially given the anticipated recent rise, it's amazingly economical. So much so that I primarily L2 charge at home rather than travel to my not-so-closest EA fast charger.
I have never owned an EV so not sure even how much a charge costs, that’s even why I asked this… on average of 3 years a car can consume up to $5-6k just in gasoline! So I wanted to know if electricity is anything I should be counting for in terms of costs.
 

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I am about to take delivery of my long waited ID.4 however due to the high costs of payment, I have to re-evaluate everything including the “free 3 year unlimited electrify America charging”.

The main question, particularly to the current ID.4 owners is: are there any account opening fees for electrify America? Monthly membership fees? Literally any fees I should know?
Is there even a catch or is it really as simple as everyone says? Literally free electricity for 3 years?
Your help is much appreciated as this can really finalize my decisions.

Thanks
Yes, totally free. We charge at EA twice a week.
 

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I should caution that the fine print says that commercial use isn't included in the deal, and by this I interpret things like Uber/Lyft. How would they know? I don't know, but if you routinely charged 3-4 times a day at the same charger, I would think it to be a red flag.

A road trip would have very different usage patterns that couldn't be confused with an Uber driver.
 

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I have never owned an EV so not sure even how much a charge costs, that’s even why I asked this… on average of 3 years a car can consume up to $5-6k just in gasoline! So I wanted to know if electricity is anything I should be counting for in terms of costs.
Free DCFC on EA is a nice perk, but as you say, you have never owned an EV. So, you should understand a bit about the realities of charging.

The single most convenient aspect of owning an EV is being able to charge overnight in your garage while you sleep. You arrive home, plug in, sleep, and start your day fully charged. The cost? Whatever you pay for electric utilities, which averages ~$.12/kWh in the US. How much you use depends on how much you drive. At 3 mi/kWh for example, you would use about 33kWh every 100 miles or about $4 in electricity at average home utility rates. So, look at your daily use (miles), your utility rates, and do the math.

Probably something like 95% of US driving mileage is commuting, or around town errands. So people will rely on home charging 95% of the time. The free charging is not included in this.

For times when you want to spread your wings and go somewhere farther than the 100% home charge will take you (~250 miles), you will want to use public charging. The two options are Level 2 (typically 7kW) which is about the same charging speed as at home, or DC Fast Charging (DCFC). To maintain trip pace, DCFC is preferred and ID4 will charge at up to 125kW. Electrify America generally only has DCFC chargers, so that is the only time you will use the Free Charging perk.

Some people may have EA sites near home or work and may rely on this free charging more than others in place of home charging. Is this wise? It depends, if you have no option to charge at home (live in an apartment\condo with no option to charge), you could get by. But, time is an important consideration. Unlike filling a gas tank in 5 minutes, ID4 could take an hour or more to reach 100% state of charge. If you have plenty of free time, or if you can combine this with productive activities, the wait time may be ok.

It can get more nuanced, for instance where I live there are a lot of free Level 2 chargers in public places. Some employers and retail stores offer it. If you live, work, or frequently shop near these, you can charge for free to supplement, or in some cases even replace home charging. But, these charge at relatively slow speeds, needing 8-10 hours to top off a depleted battery pack.

Where you travel also comes into play. As comprehensive as the EA network is, there may be places you want to go where you will need to use other charging networks. ChargePoint (mostly Level 2, but a growing DCFC network), EVGo, Greenlots, etc may have DCFC on your route, and you will tend to pay $.30 - $.50 per kWh (or more) using these networks. Free DCFC is rare in most places, and when you do find free DCFC, it is typically slower (20-50 kW).

So, don't get fooled into thinking all (or even most) of your charging will be free. In 3 years of EV ownership (65K miles), I have used DCFC sparingly. I don't travel long distances often, so most of my charging is at home. I have probably spent less than $150 on DCFC, and only charged twice on free DCFC (both times were 20kW, so not so fast). Not all of that DCFC was on EA, some was ChargePoint. This is probably fairly typical for most drivers, so in effect that Free Charging perk is really a $150 cost to VW and EA for most owners. For those who frequently travel longer distances, it will be far more valuable.

As I near retirement, my use patterns will change. I anticipate several long trips yearly to spend time with SoCal family (1300 miles each way), or DC area family (1700 miles each way). Thrown in some sightseeing tours and my ability to take full advantage of the free EA charging perk could be a windfall.

Now, compared to the Hybrid I drove prior to my EV 3 years ago, the home charging cost is averaging less than 1/3 of the cost of gas I would have bought for a 43MPG hybrid. I know, I have calculated it and confirmed it with utility bills. So, using your $5-6K in gas figure above, that would mean an EV might cost $1600 - $2000. However, this 1/3 cost is not to be assumed. For some, it will be less savings due to higher utility costs. For some, it may be more due to low utility and high gas prices.
 

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I charge at home 99% of the time. The Pulsar Plus and electrician fee to install a 240V outlet in the garage were under $1,200. Monthly electricity, $.069 Kw plus demand use and fuel surcharge fees, run about $30 for $1,500+ miles. Any road trips are routed using EA stations. Speaking of the Wallbox Pulsar Plus, they have fantastic USA customer service as well as frequent software updates.
 

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If time is important to you the EA chargers are going to require 35 to 60 minutes of your time. And possibly more if there is a charger issue. If you have less 20% charge you may start out at 125 Kw, but when the charge gets to about 65% it drops down to about 35 Kw. The last 20% of the charge takes longer than the first 40% of charge. My experience has been in 3.5 months of using EA I have issues about 15-20% of the time. At least EA has great help line. Just this morning I had to move to another charger because the first one did not work.
 
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