"The Beetle of the 21st Century." I'm surprised the reviewers all had similarly good impressions of the car. Starting to get excited about this vehicle.
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at 23:46 Kyle says he doesn’t see how anyone could consider the Ariya over the ID.4. So having seen both he is clearly far more impressed with the ID.4. And more very positive feedback after that also.
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I was watching that when you posted. I didn't hear anything that wasn't in the reviews they've written, though it did stand out how much more Kyle liked it than the Ariya. On paper, the Ariya seems the equal to the ID.4, but I'm worried the long range battery will come in at a much higher price. I've driven the Tesla model Y and loved it, but the price is simply more than I could justify (especially with the extreme lowball quote for my trade-in). The ID.4 appears to be nearly as good as the Y for my purposes, but about $17,000 cheaper. If the Ariya is closer to the price of the Tesla, I can't imagine a reason to pick it over the cheaper ID.4 or the more capable Tesla.
Well, the ID.4 is about the same price as the Model Y if you get the AWD version with the packages. It’s about 50k, unless you want RWD and less range and no heat pump. So you have to compare apples for apples, thereby not saving $17,000. But, you do get the $7500 tax credit. Rumor has it the Biden administration will seek to give automakers an increase of cars sold for Tesla and GM letting them get the credit back. If that’s the case it would hurt the ID.4. I just canceled my FE ID.4 last week. I still like the vehicle but I’m rethinking my options.I was watching that when you posted. I didn't hear anything that wasn't in the reviews they've written, though it did stand out how much more Kyle liked it than the Ariya. On paper, the Ariya seems the equal to the ID.4, but I'm worried the long range battery will come in at a much higher price. I've driven the Tesla model Y and loved it, but the price is simply more than I could justify (especially with the extreme lowball quote for my trade-in). The ID.4 appears to be nearly as good as the Y for my purposes, but about $17,000 cheaper. If the Ariya is closer to the price of the Tesla, I can't imagine a reason to pick it over the cheaper ID.4 or the more capable Tesla.
Yeah if the Fed Tax Credit came back for the MY it would be much more compelling.
I would consider the Ariya simply because other than exterior color options, Nissan doesn't decontent their EVs in the US, unlike what VW is doing. You can almost guarantee that the Ariya will have a heat pump and 360 view camera because the LEAF has had it for years now.
So he prefers the looks of the VW. Not everyone agrees.
at 23:46 Kyle says he doesn’t see how anyone could consider the Ariya over the ID.4. So having seen both he is clearly far more impressed with the ID.4. And more very positive feedback after that also.
I would value his opinion as a reviewer more highly if he had actually driven both cars before passing judgement.
For those still hoping for a heat pump, the Brit talks about the heat pump option on the Id.3 being 1350 pounds, which means it would be 1500$ in the US roughly. Clearly VW left it out to hit the 40k price mark. An option or including it on the AWD version would still have been nice but at that price it would increase it significantly closer to the model Y.
Having leased both a Chevy Bolt and Kia Niro EV, I am going to purchase my next EV at lease termination. The ID 4 looks very promising with one exception......the lack of one pedal driving. My Bolt had it and I loved it. The Kia doesn't and is not as fun to drive. I'm hoping VW will change course and allow a driver that option. I'm aware not all share my opinion but, feel there are enough that do, that it should be available to us. Kyle mentions that it would be a simple software update......fingers crossed.
I saw a review somewhere that said they have already reduced the creep force so they are going in that direction. I suspect they are trying to make the car feel as much like an ICE w/auto to be as familar as possible to the masses. It would be a software change and it would be nice to give the driver the option.
I agree. Why not the option of both?
My Bolt lease was ending and I was also initially 99% certain that my next car would be a purchased ID4. However, it became clear that the US market was not a priority for VW as the US spec ID.4 intentionally omitted key EV features such as the heat pump, heads up display, 360 degree parking camera, and one pedal driving that are available in much cheaper EVs. All this feature decontenting and lack of transparency from VW about it convinced me to spend my money elsewhere. Hopefully VW will come to their senses in several years and stop sending cut-rate vehicles to the US in order to boost their bottom line with first time EV buyers who are not as knowledgeable about the EV features that they are purposefully omitting.Having leased both a Chevy Bolt and Kia Niro EV, I am going to purchase my next EV at lease termination. The ID 4 looks very promising with one exception......the lack of one pedal driving. My Bolt had it and I loved it. The Kia doesn't and is not as fun to drive. I'm hoping VW will change course and allow a driver that option. I'm aware not all share my opinion but, feel there are enough that do, that it should be available to us. Kyle mentions that it would be a simple software update......fingers crossed.
That's great info. I didn't realize that they had done that. I loved the 360 degree camera on my Bolt as well. Hopefully they will reconsider. But one pedal driving is definitely a deal breaker for me.
Unfortunately, in direct communication with VW, they said that they purposefully omitted these features because they are "not mature enough" (i.e. don't make VW enough profit) for the US market. Only once compelling competing EVs become available will VW be pressured to give us the full offering, and that won't happen for at least 1-2 years.That's great info. I didn't realize that they had done that. I loved the 360 degree camera on my Bolt as well. Hopefully they will reconsider. But one pedal driving is definitely a deal breaker for me.
AriyaMy Bolt lease was ending and I was also initially 99% certain that my next car would be a purchased ID4. However, it became clear that the US market was not a priority for VW as the US spec ID.4 intentionally omitted key EV features such as the heat pump, heads up display, 360 degree parking camera, and one pedal driving that are available in much cheaper EVs. All this feature decontenting and lack of transparency from VW about it convinced me to spend my money elsewhere. Hopefully VW will come to their senses in several years and stop sending cut-rate vehicles to the US in order to boost their bottom line with first time EV buyers who are not as knowledgeable about the EV features that they are purposefully omitting.
I'm counting on the Ariya, Bolt EUV, Hyundai Ioniq 5, and Kia CV to kickstart the mainstream EV market in the US. With ample competition, it will greatly discourage the sale of compromised offerings.Ariya
I agree with you 100%. I put down a $100 deposit on an ID.4 Pro early on, and I still like what I read about the car, but now I'm thinking there's no rush to buy. It's likely we'll learn a lot more about the new competition before the ID.4 shows up on dealer lots.I'm counting on the Ariya, Bolt EUV, Hyundai Ioniq 5, and Kia CV to kickstart the mainstream EV market in the US. With ample competition, it will greatly discourage the sale of compromised offerings.
Don't know why the price difference but Volvo XC40 has the heat pump as a $350 add on option.For those still hoping for a heat pump, the Brit talks about the heat pump option on the Id.3 being 1350 pounds, which means it would be 1500$ in the US roughly. Clearly VW left it out to hit the 40k price mark. An option or including it on the AWD version would still have been nice but at that price it would increase it significantly closer to the model Y.
That is a much more reasonable price since they only need to add a valve and the wiring to control that valve.Don't know why the price difference but Volvo XC40 has the heat pump as a $350 add on option.
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The 2021 Volkswagen ID.4 ticks all the boxes of crossover shoppers and turns out to be a pretty great EV.
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