[NeverhadanEVbefore]

We recived our Nissan Ariya last week as a replacement for our 2nd car. Since you are not depening on the towing hook I would reccomend you at least test drive it aswell if you are concidering changing.

I'm not really in a bind and there are temporary options that would not cost me any more money than the ID.5 will eventually cost on a monthly basis.

The reason I'm pissed is that back in January, the promise was "July". The ID.5 was to be prioritized over the ID.4 as a new model. Wait-time was supposed to be half of what ID.4 had. Sure, Putler attacking Ukraine was unexpected (even if quite a few intelligence agencies said otherwise, but that's beside the point), and I was fine with the "will be delayed, but you'll get it before the end of the year".

But back in July, they told that it's going into production in October. After that, it's been November, early December, late December, January and now March.

There is no event in the last two months that was unforeseen by VW and would have cause a delay of five months. The information from VW is complete bullshit. Whatever the reason for them to expect to be able to build it in March only existed in July. They are merely either really shit with their projections or just dangling me - and everyone else - along. Both suck, bad.

Had they told me in late July that it's going to be nine months more, I would have looked at other options - even if I'm in a good position because my price is locked as the January price, which is quite a lot less than it would be now. But no, they keep giving dates that are in the near future - well, until today they did - and then kick them further like an empty beer-can.

So it's not just the delay which is ticking me off, what's actually pissing me off worse is the shitty information and empty promises. Which they have to know to be empty or they're completely lost control of their company. I mean they are a listed company, they are legally obligated to have projections for the year or so. If their projection for their finances were off as bad - which they should be, because they make money by deliverin cars - they'd be notifying the market constantly. They are not, which means their projections for sales are correct in their financial projections -> they should be correct for customers too.

To loop back, as the ID.4 is cheaper than the ID.4, the reason I went with ID.5 was the wait-time supposedly being half or six months less (same thing at that time). My wait time will be 14 months, and there is zero chance that the wait-time for and ID.4 would have been 20 months (+6 months to and ID.5) or 28 months (double that of an ID.5).

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

When we ordered in may 2022 she said at least a year waiting time, so any delivery before may 2023 is a bonus. .

I put my order in the end of January. And they had actually ordered it to the store earlier; they just configured it to me in January.

 

[Tjabo]

Agreed I had no problems with accepting the delay(s) due to the war in Ukraine for several obvious reasons but as you say but WTH can't they give honest and at least somewhat reliable estimates re delivery say in late spring this year? Or is it just VWs smokescreen for awful planning or perhaps unpredictable changes in market priorities or...

I had a chat with my sales rep today (unrelated topic vs my GTX order) and I merrily told him that the app started to report the build of my car 15 Sep i.e. nicely corresponding with the "Confirmed in factory" info he gave me some time before that. I should by now not be surprised by anything really from VW but what he said made me both slightly worried and angry: "You know, it's not always the app info is correct. It could be in production or maybe not"

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

Or is it just VWs smokescreen for awful planning or perhaps unpredictable changes in market priorities or...

I did wonder whether the US cutoff of New Year for the tax breaks forced them to re-prio production to those orders.

 

[Procomp]

Stopped checking my app status. Checked now, still in stage before production. The latest projection was around november which is rather vague in it self. Good for you Tjabo that it moves in the right direction.

 

[per.nordling]

I ordered a GTX Sep 2021 and it has now been "upgraded" to 2023 years model. According to dealer its because 2022 orders are full. They cannot give a deliverydate, all they say is that my car is on a priolist.

My feeling is that VW are prioratizing leasingcars because of the increased prizes. My car have gone up ~10,000 dollars (live in Sweden) so I almost get the feeling my dealer is hoping that we cancel our order.

Not really good customer service.

 

[Procomp]

Stökigt (troublesome) to say the least. I Will wait à month or 2 weeks before I ask again about the status 😅 must be a huge backlog they are working through. I guess the revenue for the dealer has already been fixed on the first price. It might be more of a cashflow issue if they dont receive any cash until the car is delivered. But what do I know of this strange car business 😂

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

Backlog, maclog, doesn't explain why their "estimates" fly 8 weeks into the future in a week. Nothing happened.

Also dealers get paid when the car is delivered, and it's based on the sale-price. If it's the 'old' price, then they make less than they'd make if someone cancelled and they could sell it to someone new.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

Heehee, another week in real life, another week postponed on the chrystal ball.

 

[Tjabo]

I’m getting slightly worried as my car has been in ”Your car is now being built” since (at least) 15 Sep - should I be? 😑

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

I’m getting slightly worried as my car has been in ”Your car is now being built” since (at least) 15 Sep - should I be? 😑

Yes and no. It might actually be in production and waiting for something (four days, remember) which is still better than "no one really knows". Or it's done, but the app doesn't update the in-transit status'.

 

[per.nordling]

It does'nt feel good this situation. Car dealers are not charity exactly, after what happened with Hyundai that canceled byers orders and gave them a choice to order again for a higher price, what says VW are gonna let us keep our cars.

I think the only reason VW have not done so is after "dieselgate" they cannot have a new disaster. Especially sence this is their first and big launch into the electric era. They lie and keep quiet and are waiting for people to cancel their orders i think.

I'm seriously thinking about canceling and buying a used fossil car like a Toyota Raw4.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

Car dealers are not charity exactly, after what happened with Hyundai that canceled byers orders and gave them a choice to order again for a higher price, what says VW are gonna let us keep our cars.

And I think another German company just removed things and offered either that with the agreed-upon price or cancel without cost.

That all comes down to how the order has been managed legally. If it's a binding agreement where the deliveries are a car and a payment, breaking the agreement would open up the venue for claiming damages for the difference in price + whatever the additional delay is worth.

But, if it is constructed as a reservation or something else with out a being an agreement - hard to pull off, really - then there risk is there.

There's also the fact that if they start pulling that shit, who will order from them with the 12+ month wait times?

Not too worried, as if they cancel on me, I'm just going to re-order and claim the difference as damages from them breaking the agreement.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

Well then, this is... fun. Usually the guestimate updates over the weekend, but I happened to check it just this morning, and now it's actually back to 2023/W02 from 2023/W11. Which is good, although I've already seen how reliable that is. I don't trust anything before it goes to "planning", which is a month before production and at which point the production should toggle to "confirmed" from the (current) preliminary.

I do seem to have seen here that they dropped the 360' cameras and a few other things from the Canadian models, so that might factor into it - I hear the cameras are in short supply - but don't quote me on that. I can't find the message and I have zero idea what the trims in Canada are/were. Edit: I mean if the cameras are in short supply, dropping them from the Canadian models could mean that there's more left for the European ones (for which they'd be in a world of hurt if they tried to change existing orders due to how they are constructed).

Edit: found it.

Important features missing from statement package...

There is a post on Canadian Orders thread. Some very important features from Statement package is going to be missing for Canadian Models(at least), like 360 Camera and Folding mirrors until CW46 (may be its production week) and Premium sound is not available for any 2023 models. Looks like...

www.vwidtalk.com

 

[Tjabo]

🎲🤡💩 VW…

My car is now on (at least) the 10th day of ”Your car is now being produced” i.e. >> four days 🙄. No word from the local dealer and the last thing I heard from my sales rep a week ago was ”We’re also in the dark but once the car is on its way you’ll know” 🙁

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

My car is now on (at least) the 10th day of ”Your car is now being produced” i.e. >> four days 🙄.

Well the "planning" is a month before actual build, so could it be just that? Because that's the point when "preliminary production" changes to "confirmed production" regarding the week of.

Also does the app have status' for "finished production, waiting at Zwickau - in transit - at dock - loaded - in transit"? If it's missing those, it might actually be finished and the app simply doesn't have the status'.

Also, don't know why you had a sad reaction to my previous post? Honestly asking. My preliminary production week moved 8 weeks early, from March to January, so while not reliable, not something to be sad about..

 

[Tjabo]

First, I’m of course happy your planned production was moved back but sad about the Canadian info so it should have been 🙂🙁…

The app is quite limited re info and as you mention it could be at stage ”2.5” 🤞🏻

Stage 3 in my VW app is ”Your car is now completed and on its way to Sweden”
Stage 4 is ”Your car is in Sweden” (i.e. the harbour in my town 😊)
Stage 5 is ”Your VW is ready for delivery”

Footnote: Stage 1 is ”Your car has been ordered, ID.4 2023”

Here’s hoping that everyone waiting for their VW EV get some good and reliable news soon and please post any updates, big or small 👍🏻🙂

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

Well now I got a letter from VW. There a still bottlenecks on the availability of compononents and Volkswagen is unable to produce GTXs. All GTXs not confirmed for production have been moved to 2023. The current "assessment" is that production will resume during early 2023.

 

[per.nordling]

This actually pisses me off. My dealer has been lying saying my car was delayed because 2022 orders are full. That all remaining 2022's have been "upgraded" to 2023 years model like it's a good thing and a privilege.

Why did they aim so damn high? id4 first edition, id4 pro, pros, gtx for the european market and id4 pro awd for the US market, then the id5 and the id5 gtx, then the id4 awd for the european market between id4 and the gtx?

They should have launched only the id4 and id4 awd, maby the id5 after that but to me it's a pointless car. Like an suv but without a rear window viper.

 

[NeverhadanEVbefore]

This actually pisses me off. My dealer has been lying saying my car was delayed because 2022 orders are full. That all remaining 2022's have been "upgraded" to 2023 years model like it's a good thing and a privilege.

He didn't lie. The switch to MODEL year 2023 was done week 35 for GTXs. MYs always change before calendar year.

So 2022 was full, as the last 2022 - with the original blue interior and all - was produced last month.

This news dropped this morning, and the dealers didn't know before.