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They will be soon, I've literally see truck loads of new black trim Model 3s (with heat pumps) coming out of the Fremont factory for over a week now.The Model 3 is starting production now with a heat pump as standard, but those cars aren’t “out in the wild” yet
I've owned the i3 BEV as well. I honestly can't say if it made a huge difference, the range was too limited to drive to colder areas 😂 And that's the exact thing that the ID4 enables: a weekend trip to Tahoe, a roadtrip to Canada, etc. And that's when the extra miles would be welcome.I can tell you with my experience with an i3 BEV with the heat pump, I’m not sure it actually made that much of a difference in cold weather range or comfort. I think the ID.4’s heated windshield might lead to greater energy savings more than a heat pump would.
The windshield is heated on the AWD version. I haven't seen it as an option on the RWD version.Is the front shield heated or double insulated? I don't think I've read about that.
The XC40 is a smaller SUV with 208 mile range and a $55k starting price - it should have the heat pump standard.I read today that the electric Volvo XC40 for US will have a heat pump as a $350 option.
Sounds like they can throw one on if you want it. Too bad VW can't do the same. (?????)
You can refer to this thread about it with responses from the head of VW US e-mobility: Probably (initially) no heat pump in the U.S.I understand that, unlike the Canadian model, the US version of the ID4 will not come with a heat pump. It's not even available as an option for the 1st and Pro. That seems like a big omission, especially since the direct competitors like the hyper-efficient Tesla, Hyundai and Kona EVs come standard with a heat pump at a lower list price.
Does anyone have more information if they're perhaps considering reversing their decision and bundle it as standard or last least have the heat pump as an option in the future. (I honestly don't understand why the specs need to be different per country. Why not just ship the best and most efficient configuration to all countries? Simplifying production might even be cheaper in the end)
I, and others, spoke with Dustin Krause (VW of America’s Director of e-mobility) and he was definitive that the heat pump would not be an option in the US 2021 model. However, I encourage people to continue reaching out to VW and its dealers. Perhaps if they hear it from enough people, they’ll change course.I understand that, unlike the Canadian model, the US version of the ID4 will not come with a heat pump. It's not even available as an option for the 1st and Pro. That seems like a big omission, especially since the direct competitors like the hyper-efficient Tesla, Hyundai and Kona EVs come standard with a heat pump at a lower list price.
Does anyone have more information if they're perhaps considering reversing their decision and bundle it as standard or last least have the heat pump as an option in the future. (I honestly don't understand why the specs need to be different per country. Why not just ship the best and most efficient configuration to all countries? Simplifying production might even be cheaper in the end)
I understand that, unlike the Canadian model, the US version of the ID4 will not come with a heat pump. It's not even available as an option for the 1st and Pro. That seems like a big omission, especially since the direct competitors like the hyper-efficient Tesla, Hyundai and Kona EVs come standard with a heat pump at a lower list price.
Does anyone have more information if they're perhaps considering reversing their decision and bundle it as standard or last least have the heat pump as an option in the future. (I honestly don't understand why the specs need to be different per country. Why not just ship the best and most efficient configuration to all countries? Simplifying production might even be cheaper in the end)
AgreeI, and others, spoke with Dustin Krause (VW of America’s Director of e-mobility) and he was definitive that the heat pump would not be an option in the US 2021 model. However, I encourage people to continue reaching out to VW and its dealers. Perhaps if they hear it from enough people, they’ll change course.
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The thermal management of the battery is not a concern. That system is standardized and uses the AC compressor for cooling and at minimum a dedicated battery heater for heating. The heat pump mainly impacts the cabin heating since it uses up to 3x less power than a standard resistance heater for the same heat output. It's actually interesting comparing to the e-Golf since VW has improved by adding a liquid cooling battery thermal management system, but gone backwards by removing the cabin heat pump system!Keep reaching out to Dustin. The ID series batteries are supposed to have liquid thermal management, the heat pump is not needed as much as you would think. The key is keeping the battery pack at the right temperature when it is cold. The cabin temperature does not warm the battery pack. Both of my e-Golf's have had the heat pump. It is noisy in the winter until warmed up and it never did anything for the batteries but it sure was nice to warm up the cabin prior to leaving for work every morning. I wish I could find more about the liquid thermal thermal battery pack management as it seems to be more for cooling for fast charging. IF it can be heated as well with the system without a heat pump then we should be okay,
