[EVone]

This is my take…
The auto hold holds the car in place. My BMW and ID4 do this. When engaged, my bimmer holds its place without creeping, or slipping on a hill. The ID4 behaves the same. With the auto hold on, it does not creep nor slip.

The auto hold holds the car in place. It does not brake the car.
I don't know the correct terminology but my ID4 stops itself when it senses while in motion. Let's call that an emergency brake. Does the auto hold come on AFTER the emergency brake? I don't know but I am guessing it does.

I realize I may not be adding anything useful to the discussion here. I am sorry for that. But as far as I can tell, MY ID4's auto hold is just as good, or bad, as my ICE bimmer's.

Not exactly..it engages hold when st

And how do you know it isn’t emergency braking?

In My Case I know it isnt emergency braking because with Auto Hold OFF the Car rolls out of the car garage like it is suppose to without coming to an abrupt stop

 

[GreyID4]

Not exactly..it engages hold when st

??? What is st?

 

[2928]

In My Case I know it isnt emergency braking because with Auto Hold OFF the Car rolls out of the car garage like it is suppose to without coming to an abrupt stop

That’s what’s confusing me… I only know of two things that can cause an abrupt stop… first is Automatic Emergency Braking, and second is going into Park when the driver loosens their seatbelt. Assuming it’s neither of those things, I’d like to understand what exactly it’s doing… is there any chance you can get it on a video?

 

[Atlant]

Not exactly..it engages hold when st

In My Case I know it isnt emergency braking because with Auto Hold OFF the Car rolls out of the car garage like it is suppose to without coming to an abrupt stop

In other posts, I've raised the suggestion that the hydraulic pressure sensor that triggers the engagement of AutoHold is variable from car to car*. Perhaps yours is eggregiously sensitive and causes the engagement of AutoHold before the car has even come to a complete stop?

* I say this because some people (like me) state that they can easily bring their ID.4s to a complete stop without causing AutoHold to engage while others here state that, for their cars, this is impossible.

 

[2928]

In other posts, I've raised the suggestion that the hydraulic pressure sensor that triggers the engagement of AutoHold is variable from car to car*. Perhaps yours is eggregiously sensitive and causes the engagement of AutoHold before the car has even come to a complete stop?

* I say this because some people (like me) state that they can easily bring their ID.4s to a complete stop without causing AutoHold to engage while others here state that, for their cars, this is impossible.

What is more likely? A part that touches a critical safety system varies that widely in calibration? Or that humans have widely varying ability to precisely control the amount of pressure they put on a pedal?

 

[Atlant]

What is more likely? A part that touches a critical safety system varies that widely in calibration? Or that humans have widely varying ability to precisely control the amount of pressure they put on a pedal?

You know, in a well-designed, well-tested vehicle, I might accept that argument. But we're talking about the ID.4 here and honestly, huge swaths of that car are poorly designed, obviously untested, and don't work at all well so I'm going with my theory that the hydraulic sensors vary in sensitivity. Some folks are really adamant here that they can't stop their ID.4s without triggering AutoHold and I can't believe that they've all just got insensitive pedal feet.

I won't be surprised to receive a safety recall notice one of these days that calls for modifications to the AutoHold feature (via either software, hardware, or both).

 

[2928]

You know, in a well-designed, well-tested vehicle, I might accept that argument. But we're talking about the ID.4 here and honestly, huge swaths of that car are poorly designed, obviously untested, and don't work at all well so I'm going with my theory that the hydraulic sensors vary in sensitivity. Some folks are really adamant here that they can't stop their ID.4s without triggering AutoHold and I can't believe that they've all just got insensitive pedal feet.

I won't be surprised to receive a safety recall notice one of these days that calls for modifications to the AutoHold feature (via either software, hardware, or both).

Well, without an experiment we can't really prove it, so I'm going leave this there. (Having just backed jumped in my parked ID.4, started it with the brake pedal, shifted it into Reverse, and backed the car out of the garage without Auto Hold activating once!)

 

[GreyID4]

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[Ahab]

Well, without an experiment we can't really prove it, so I'm going leave this there. (Having just backed jumped in my parked ID.4, started it with the brake pedal, shifted it into Reverse, and backed the car out of the garage without Auto Hold activating once!)

My wife and I share our ID4. Roughly 99% of the time, I can trigger Auto-Hold or avoid it simply by modulating the pedal pressure. Roughly 99% of the time, my wife cannot. And not for want of trying.

 

[2928]

So, I did experience a sudden stop today! I think it is what some folks are describing… I was making a U turn in a driveway that went up a ramp… and when I backed up, the angle of the ramp pointed the car down towards the street, and it came to a stop by itself! No red lights, no Auto Hold light. I think it was the rear sonar sensors seeing the street and thinking it an obstruction… but it was at such low speed and I wasn’t touching the accelerator so it didn’t trigger the red ID.light and sound warning that normally accompanies emergency braking. Never saw it before today…

 

[Atlant]

My wife and I share our ID4. Roughly 99% of the time, I can trigger Auto-Hold or avoid it simply by modulating the pedal pressure. Roughly 99% of the time, my wife cannot. And not for want of trying.

That's an interesting observation!

 

[EVone]

What is more likely? A part that touches a critical safety system varies that widely in calibration? Or that humans have widely varying ability to precisely control the amount of pressure they put on a pedal?

The problem is two fold , it stops instantaneously backing out of garage even though I am just very slowly backing out ...(thinks I am going to hity something) ..Then to get going again it "lurches" out of auto hold . you cant just nicely creep . I know it's the issue because with out hold off the car creeps forwards and backwards very nicely evn with alerts beeping (thinks I am to close to garage) .

Not really an issue, I just turn it off and prefer driving this way anyways. probably coding related between emergency stop and auto hold . Not going to worry about , dont like auto hold anyways.

 

[2928]

The problem is two fold , it stops instantaneously backing out of garage even though I am just very slowly backing out ...(thinks I am going to hity something) ..Then to get going again it "lurches" out of auto hold . you cant just nicely creep . I know it's the issue because with out hold off the car creeps forwards and backwards very nicely evn with alerts beeping (thinks I am to close to garage) .

Not really an issue, I just turn it off and prefer driving this way anyways. probably coding related between emergency stop and auto hold . Not going to worry about , dont like auto hold anyways.

Correct… I agree. When it sees obstacles at low speeds it does stop (I saw this today for the first time, backing down a steep ramp where it perceived the street as an obstacle). As far as releasing it without a lurch, that you can train your foot to so, given enough time… like releasing clutch smoothly. But I agree you shouldn’t have to My preference would be for auto hold not to engage when you shift into gear, but only after you manually bring the car to a stop with the brake. It should roll away from Park like Auto Hold was off…

 

[GreyID4]

@EVone
What does this mean?
"it engages hold when st"

 

[blackout]

In other posts, I've raised the suggestion that the hydraulic pressure sensor that triggers the engagement of AutoHold is variable from car to car*. Perhaps yours is eggregiously sensitive and causes the engagement of AutoHold before the car has even come to a complete stop?

* I say this because some people (like me) state that they can easily bring their ID.4s to a complete stop without causing AutoHold to engage while others here state that, for their cars, this is impossible.

I’ve tried this and I can’t do it. My brakes also sound like I slammed into a dumpster every time I come to a complete stop, so who knows!

 

[2928]

I’ve tried this and I can’t do it. My brakes also sound like I slammed into a dumpster every time I come to a complete stop, so who knows!

I’d suggest bringing it to the dealer and asking them to drive it… sounds like something is wrong!

 

[blackout]

I’d suggest bringing it to the dealer and asking them to drive it… sounds like something is wrong!

T’was an exaggeration about squeaky brakes. I would say the car is supposed to engage Auto Hold when it stops so, in this regard, it works as it should.

Notwithstanding, thanks again for the suggestion, but again, I’m good, I will bring it up next time I find myself at the dealer within my busy schedule, I’m just here doing the talk part of VWIDTalk. It’s interesting to me. I’m not asking for help. I’m not worried about my brakes. I’ve used them for their primary purpose on a highway at 100% from 75-0 and they performed admirably. Long live rear drums!

 

[EVone]

@EVone
What does this mean?
"it engages hold when st"

"stop" .. typing too fast

 

[wildpitcher]

And this is why Volkswagen created the option to put it in the pulldown menu.

Yep, except the pull down menu is covered up by the parking sensor display screen when parking at close quarters. One then has to cancel the parking screen, do the pull down, then re-engage the parking screen.

It's just easier for me to keep it off.

Dave

 

[EVone]

One other thing , anyone try to go through the car wash with auto hold..lol... trying to creep through the dryer
and no I am not going to alwasy be turning it off and on ..thats more dangerous than just seletctng on or off and leaving it.