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Nice to see their estimates and targets confirmed. Assuming this was the standard, accelerated test cycle, I am hoping that they eventually do the full range of EPA cycles, like Tesla does, and thus get slightly better numbers.
 

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@Astros,

Thank you.

Interesting to see that the Pro S with 19" and the IST with 20" (correct?). Get the same range.

I thought normally there was around a 5-10 mile difference between the two.
 

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I find the breakdown of the highway and city efficiency very interesting. The city efficiency is 10% worse than my Leaf, but the highway efficiency is only 5% worse. I regularly get ~190 miles of highway range with my Leaf in the Summer, so if the efficiency is only 5% worse and the useable battery capacity is 77kWh vs 56kWh, then I'd expect to see ~247 miles for a similar trip with the ID.4. Combined with the much faster (and more reliable!) charging speed, the ID.4 is looking great for our trips.
 

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For reference this is what the e-Golf EPA rating gets. I personally have gotten 4.9 miles/kWh or 20.4 kWh/100 miles over 9,000 miles on my 2019 e-Golf. So hopefully for mixed driving it would be closer to 300 miles.

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This is great news. I was thinking about getting the Mach E or Q4-eton but now I can wait few more months.
 

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For reference this is what the e-Golf EPA rating gets. I personally have gotten 4.9 miles/kWh or 20.4 kWh/100 miles over 9,000 miles on my 2019 e-Golf. So hopefully for mixed driving it would be closer to 300 miles.

Anyway, the EPA rated 35kwh/100mi converts to 2.86mi/kwh which seems like pretty aggressive driving to me.
I was just coming to say the same thing but about my Kia Soul EV. We regularly get 4.6kmi/kwh or better during a daily 80 mile freeway commute at around 60mph and get better in city driving which pushes the range to closer to 120 miles from the rated 93. Driving around 70-75mph on the highway is closer to rated range. Obviously, how you drive the car will make a huge difference.

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So did the destination charge change? The article states $920?
 

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Interesting, I will be curious to see what the AWD version gets in comparison. But it looks like it will be a while until we see those numbers.
 

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A Model Y is a bigger car with 75 miles more range using a smaller battery. But 250 miles is definitely usable, especially if the Electrify America network is further expanded. I'm curious to see what the real world range will be.

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So did the destination charge change? The article states $920?
I'm pretty sure that's wrong. According to the order guide, destination is $1195. It was $920 on some models for the 2020 model year (Jetta, Passat, Golf, GTI), so maybe they just used that. All VW models are $995 or higher for 2021.
 

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Elon Musk announced at a Europe conference that updated Teslas would have 435 miles of range. That's more impressive/eye catching than the 250 mile range from VW, especially if you are taking a long distance trip.
 

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400 miles is my metric for a useful interstate cruiser. It means one can make a single stop midday for lunch and a charge, when you allow for a safety margin for charger availability at the stop and environmental conditions like temp and wind. A range of 250 miles means three or four charging stops in a typical long-haul day making for a longer day. Doable, yes; but it is an inconvenience compared to one. I'm going to use my ID.4 as a local grocery-getter, etc; and use my PHEV for interstate trips. Perhaps the 2023 VW mid-size BEV sedans will make this 400 mi metric and will be a replacement for my PHEV BMW 530e.
 

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It beats the Kia Niro EV's range as well (239 miles).

 

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Does anyone know the reasons for the difference between the EU rating of 311mi and US of 250? Will real world usage be between the two or is the US Number more reflective of real world usage? Ive seen reports which suggest real world usage expecting to be between the two i.e 270 range or so.
 

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Elon Musk announced at a Europe conference that updated Teslas would have 435 miles of range. That's more impressive/eye catching than the 250 mile range from VW, especially if you are taking a long distance trip.
The advancement in battery technology is the key reason why I plan to lease an ID.4. There is potential for 250 miles of range to be similar to how we view 150 miles of range today....terrible. That would send resale values plummeting and I don't want to be "stuck" with a car when I may want to upgrade to something with better range and technology in three years.
 

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The advancement in battery technology is the key reason why I plan to lease an ID.4. There is potential for 250 miles of range to be similar to how we view 150 miles of range today....terrible. That would send resale values plummeting and I don't want to be "stuck" with a car when I may want to upgrade to something with better range and technology in three years.
Keep in mind that there are plenty of gas cars that are very popular, and have a range of just over 300 miles. My old Honda Fit could only go about that far between refilling, and I still see plenty of those on the road. Admittedly that is more than 250 miles, but there is some value in not lugging around a giant battery all the time if it only saves you a small inconvenience on the occasional trip.
 

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Keep in mind that there are plenty of gas cars that are very popular, and have a range of just over 300 miles. My old Honda Fit could only go about that far between refilling, and I still see plenty of those on the road. Admittedly that is more than 250 miles, but there is some value in not lugging around a giant battery all the time if it only saves you a small inconvenience on the occasional trip.
I think the argument on total miles probably has more to do with refuel time, in part. As for total miles and efficiency I suspect, that like Tesla, they will improve over time, but VW will need lots of baseline data before developing and releasing such changes. Every owner will essentially be a test point.
 
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