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Rear Hatch Closing: It would appear that the rear hatch does not stop its closing process even with significant resistance against the close. I initiate the close using the button on the hatch. When it is about half-way down I try to stop it with my hand. It continues to close. When it is past the halfway point I try and hold the door open and it continues to close. I have to pull my hand away from the hatch to prevent it from being pinched in the door. This does not seem to be proper or safe. As a follow-up to this point, I know that the hatch will "beep" when closing or opening is initiated from the key fob. It might be a good idea to have the hatch beep any time it is in motion, especially down motion, as there might be more than one person in the vicinity of the hatch and could be unaware that it was being closed. That is, it should beep even if the action is initiated with a button, kick motion or key fob.

Any ideas on this?
 

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As we know, for the 'foot wave' to work properly (tailgate up or down) one must quickly step back a fair distance just after the wave. Presumably this is a related safeguard.
 

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My concern is that someone else might be near the tailgate when it is in motion. Perhaps the person who initiated the action was not looking around. I was washing the car the other day and the hose I was using moved under the tailgate and initiated an open command. I was standing in the right position with the key in my pocket so the tailgate started to open. I also think that the "beep beep" sound should be active anytime the tailgate is in powered motion (as opposed to manual open/close). Just my thoughts on this.
 

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Between 4600 odd pounds moving when I drive the car, and the rear hatch moving with some force when I am standing next to it with eyes wide open, I think I have safety concerns properly focused where they belong (and that's not the hatch). Sorry if sarcasm rubs you the wrong way.
 

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Humor is fine. Thanks for making me think a little regarding the comparison.
 

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I've noticed that too. This is my first power liftgate so I don't know what the typical behaviour is supposed to be, but I kind of expected it to stop when pushing hard against it, like modern garage doors do. The motor groans a bit but just keeps going. Is that... normal?
 

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Yes, normal.
There's a limit to how many 'nanny beeps' and protect-us-from-our-negligent-and-distracted-selves systems that may be included and still meet an attractive price point.
The less personal accountability we take the more litigation risk averse the manufacturers must become and thereby the higher the price.
Coming from an age where we had almost no safety items I don't really expect them. I'm naturally very safety conscious, especially around my kids/grandkids, so ....
Now that's not to say that many of the systems are not welcome, but again there has to be a limit, and driver accountability should still reign supreme imho.

Comparatively garage door auto-stop/reversing is a welcome requirement, so I do appreciate the OP's reasoning. But again consider we would need a similar ($) beam-break tech, or auto-bumper, for our tailgates. btw: How much do you trust elevator door auto-bumpers tho'? ;)

I've noticed that too. This is my first power liftgate so I don't know what the typical behaviour is supposed to be, but I kind of expected it to stop when pushing hard against it, like modern garage doors do. The motor groans a bit but just keeps going. Is that... normal?
 

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My current Jeep was my first car with a powered lift gate, and it can take what seemed like a lot of force to get it to stop, although recently I noticed that the force goes down dramatically the closer to closed it gets. On the ID.4 the procedure from the manual to adjust the height that the trail gate will open to is too stop it at the desired height and then push some buttons to set that as the default (sorry, I don't have an id.4 yet and don't have the manual at hand) but this procedure certainly implies that you should be able to stop the tailgate during travel. My Jeep has taught me that it takes a lot of force to stop the movement.

I just put a ketchup squeeze bottle in my Jeep tailgate and it reversed without squeezing ketchup all over the place, and I'd wager the ID.4 should work the same way.
 

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I took the Trunkenbold Ketchup Challenge.

I think we can finally put ketchupgate to rest now.
Inside your garage no less! Thanks for the laugh, sorely needed. Although I'm not sure what to think about "Trunkenbold challenge" or how @Trunkenbold chose his forum name, it translates to drunkard and comes across as weirdly apropos or not at all, depending on your frame of mind. :D:ROFLMAO::p
 

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LieutenantLefse: Very brave. Good idea not to aim the bottle into the vehicle.
What if you did not have the white cover closed on the ketchup bottle? Would the pressure be sufficient to squeeze out some ketchup?
Alternatively, what would happen if you tried a mustard bottle? Is the viscosity of the mustard comparable to the ketchup?
 

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Automotive forums always come around to viscosity. :ROFLMAO:
LieutenantLefse: Very brave. Good idea not to aim the bottle into the vehicle.
What if you did not have the white cover closed on the ketchup bottle? Would the pressure be sufficient to squeeze out some ketchup?
Alternatively, what would happen if you tried a mustard bottle? Is the viscosity of the mustard comparable to the ketchup?
 

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LieutenantLefse: Very brave. Good idea not to aim the bottle into the vehicle.
What if you did not have the white cover closed on the ketchup bottle? Would the pressure be sufficient to squeeze out some ketchup?
Alternatively, what would happen if you tried a mustard bottle? Is the viscosity of the mustard comparable to the ketchup?
Great ideas! Can't wait to see your video :D
 

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I chose the user name way back in high school, and re use it on most of my internet groups. I was playing dungeons and dragons and thought it sounded like a great name for a dwarf. After 25 years I sometimes forget that it has a translation and a somewhat unfortunate one for a German car forum.😜

I stuck my arm in after the ketchup bottle and it was barely a pinch at all, even less than I expected after watching the bottle. Glad to see it on an ID.4, and was glad to see you thought to point it out of your car! Me wife and I both got a good laugh at the video.
 

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During the 60 day check of the ID.4, I tested the resistance required to stop the hatch from closing on a demo ID.4 (1st Edition). It was very similar to my vehicle. I guess this is a feature.
 

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yes i noticed that high force very early on when i tried to stop a close. you basically have a hard time to stop and a kids arms will be severely injured. i just showed the car to a friend and and he looked at me with surprise that he could initially could not stop the gate. so yes, this is a feature. he tells me on his lexus 350 he can adjust the resistance force.
btw when the close is triggered by the foot it depends in which direction you walk away. if i walk to the right side i had to go like 20 feet. it simple depends on the proximity detection of the key fob. as we know RF is a tricky thing. for example if i have the key in the same pocket as my phone the key loses its functionality, meaning foot swipe does not work etc.
he also could not get out of the car easily because of the funny door locks.
honestly these are no laughing matters but serious safety issues.
 
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