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Has anyone read the WSJ article written by Dan Neil on Feb. 26th which states
VW and the ID.4 are "5-years behind Tesla". Lots of disparaging remarks cast
at VW. What did you think?
 

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Haven’t read it, but it’s all subjective anyway. 5 years behind in what way? Because the ID.4 won’t have the future possibility of fully autonomous driving? Because the ID.4 can’t drive itself (haphazardly) through a parking lot to where you’re standing? Because it doesn’t have 400 hp and a bit more range? Because it hasn’t almost completely eliminated the human-machine interface? What exactly is 5 years behind? I love Tesla’s, I’ve been tempted so many times to click the damn order button on the website. You know what, Tesla is 20 years behind the entire automotive industry on quality control, fit and finish, and dealer support. Tesla’s are fantastic electronics wrapped in mediocre cars. The ID.4 (and frankly, just about all other EV’s on the market right now) are good or great cars with good and definitely more than adequate electronics.
 

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Haven’t read it, but it’s all subjective anyway. 5 years behind in what way? Because the ID.4 won’t have the future possibility of fully autonomous driving? Because the ID.4 can’t drive itself (haphazardly) through a parking lot to where you’re standing? Because it doesn’t have 400 hp and a bit more range? Because it hasn’t almost completely eliminated the human-machine interface? What exactly is 5 years behind? I love Tesla’s, I’ve been tempted so many times to click the damn order button on the website. You know what, Tesla is 20 years behind the entire automotive industry on quality control, fit and finish, and dealer support. Tesla’s are fantastic electronics wrapped in mediocre cars. The ID.4 (and frankly, just about all other EV’s on the market right now) are good or great cars with good and definitely more than adequate electronics.
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My problem with much of what passes for journalism these days, both, in respected publications and on blogs, are mostly click bait. Throw out outrageous claims, back up none of them, but make sure you rile up people.
Doesn’t matter whether it’s up my own alley or not, it’s still low quality click bait and stinks!
 

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I think I'm still going to buy an ID.4.

As for the article, it certainly has done a good job at driving traffic. That's what it was designed to do. I've seen it posted multiple times by outraged VW fans, smug Tesla fans, and random onlookers.
 

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I am totally ok with critical reviews is their on point. If reviewers week in mind that VW is going after ICE CUVs and not Tesla, I won’t have to hear about the 0-60 speed, having a frunk ( I could care less), and pre 2.1 software. Oh, I know EA network isn’t as good as Tesla’s...now. I expect reviewers to know some of these things. Lastly, I expect the ID4 of today to be different as VW collects data and feedback from customers. I signed up for that.
 

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Haven’t read it, but it’s all subjective anyway. 5 years behind in what way? Because the ID.4 won’t have the future possibility of fully autonomous driving? Because the ID.4 can’t drive itself (haphazardly) through a parking lot to where you’re standing? Because it doesn’t have 400 hp and a bit more range? Because it hasn’t almost completely eliminated the human-machine interface? What exactly is 5 years behind? I love Tesla’s, I’ve been tempted so many times to click the damn order button on the website. You know what, Tesla is 20 years behind the entire automotive industry on quality control, fit and finish, and dealer support. Tesla’s are fantastic electronics wrapped in mediocre cars. The ID.4 (and frankly, just about all other EV’s on the market right now) are good or great cars with good and definitely more than adequate electronics.
My neighbor bought a Tesla. Was in the dealership for repairs four times in the first year... Quality of manufacturing is simply not what VW can offer - and the ID4 is a lot cheaper to boot. Personally, I enjoy driving, and I dread the day when fully autonomous driving arrives...
 

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I’m actually happy VW hasn’t tried to be a Tesla killer. They had no shame in building an EV that is meant to ease people into an EV from their previous ICE car. Smart strategy IMO.
 

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Until EVs become "normal" and affordable like the ID.4 is trying to do, adoption will be slow. Reviewers are not doing a good job of separating classes of EVs, but are just comparing them all to each other as a single group. We do not compare a 4 cyl RAV4 with a Ferrari, they are 2 different classes with 2 different purposes.
 

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Until EVs become "normal" and affordable like the ID.4 is trying to do, adoption will be slow. Reviewers are not doing a good job of separating classes of EVs, but are just comparing them all to each other as a single group. We do not compare a 4 cyl RAV4 with a Ferrari, they are 2 different classes with 2 different purposes.
All of this! I’ve been saying this all along to anyone bringing up Tesla during a review of the ID.4. Just because they’re both EV’s doesn’t mean they’re competitors. How many people cross shop Hyundai Tuscon’s and BMW X3’s? I mean, they’re both small SUV’s with ICE powertrains, so why not?? 🙄
 

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These journalist must be really out of touch with the financial status of the average compact SUV shopper. I’m buying the VW with less features because I can afford a $34,000 SUV - and to be honest even that is a stretch of my budget. I cannot afford a $48,000+ SUV and still dream of saving for other home projects, vacations, or emergencies. Guess what else I’m not cross-shopping? The e-tron, XC40, or Taycan. I guess VW must falling behind Porsche! 🙄
 

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These journalist must be really out of touch with the financial status of the average compact SUV shopper. I’m buying the VW with less features because I can afford a $34,000 SUV - and to be honest even that is a stretch of my budget. I cannot afford a $48,000+ SUV and still dream of saving for other home projects, vacations, or emergencies. Guess what else I’m not cross-shopping? The e-tron, XC40, or Taycan. I guess VW must falling behind Porsche! 🙄
Are you not cross shopping the ID.4 with the Pininfarina Battista? I appreciate the extra 30 miles of range on the Battista but in the end, I am leaning with the ID.4 as it has more cargo space.

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