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@ErickF and @emtonsti,

I was able to pull information of the Germany's ID4 order page in English. If either of you is interested I can post everything on that order page on this discussion.

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I'm just a member (no affiliation with the forum), but sure, I'd like to see it, plus there are probably international members too. Maybe, just clearly mark it, so people know it is not U.S.
 

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I had a 1st reserved but I just couldn’t do the white accents. I waited this long for the car, I might as well wait a few more months. Disappointed.
 

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I reached out to the E-mobility team (super responsive!).

Illuminated logo on 1st Edition, it appears we are caught with trade-offs in bringing the vehicle to market sooner than later. We'll at least have some other unique features, discount and potential to realize our tax credit sooner.
While the 1st edition is a fantastic value, as it combines the statement and gradient packages with unique styling elements like the white infotainment and door handles, it unfortunately will not get the illuminated logo. At this time, there is no plan for a dealer add-on option since the logo and lighting element require specific packaging and wiring within the vehicle that was not available for the first units of production.
And the answer to the "what's a flitzer?" question. Everyone is getting one - "1st" and "Pro" for now.
a flitzer is the decorative piece on the side of your car that begins on the front fender, just below the A-pillar. See a picture below. Each flitzer will include a model designation, so yours will read “1st.”
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I reached out to the E-mobility team (super responsive!).

Illuminated logo on 1st Edition, it appears we are caught with trade-offs in bringing the vehicle to market sooner than later. We'll at least have some other unique features, discount and potential to realize our tax credit sooner.


And the answer to the "what's a flitzer?" question. Everyone is getting one - "1st" and "Pro" for now.

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Any idea if we are getting heat pump in USA ?
 

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I still wonder how much variability there will be with some of the smart features that are already integrated on the European ID.3 and how they may relate to the published features listed in our US ID.4 configurations. After looking at the full ID.3 manual review livestream I'm curious to know which, if any, of the features below we will get as specifically described in ID.3 manual. Within in each feature we could get only a subset of the functionality mentioned in the ID.3 manual. I also looked at the German configurator of the ID.4 to see if there was better documentation there for feature function definition, but I didn't find anything significant.

Feature
Possible Inclusion within US ID.4 Published Feature
Description
ID.3 Online Manual Documentation
Driver Alert SystemNot mentioned directlyInforms driver if their driving shows signs of tiredness.
Link
Auto Lane Changing (within Travel Assist)"Travel Assist"Vehicle can perform auto lane changing.
Link
Semi-Automatic Vehicle Control in a medical emergency"Emergency Assist"Vehicle can detect driver problem and keep car within lanes and/or brake car to standstill.
Link
Lane Change System (Side Assist) including Side Assist Plus"Side Assist"Helps monitor and prevent accident during lane change.
Link
Auto Hold FunctionNot mentioned directlyPrevents car from rolling downhill without driver pushing brake.
Link
Park Distance Control"Front Assist"Monitors and assists with obstacle avoidance during parking.
Link
Park Assist (Park Assist Plus)Not mentioned directlyAuto parking.
Link
Eco AssistNot mentioned directlyPrompts user on ways to reduce battery consumption. Predictive energy saving driving.
Link

It will be nice once 1st Editions ship to know for sure, but I guess some of these features could be add-on SW features that could be purchased and configured post delivery. I'm still surprised that VW doesn't have clear documentation / published specs at this point. It's weird.
 

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I'd say all but the "autonomous" features. Auto hold has been a standard across the VW line - I have it on my 2012 CC.
 

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I'd say all but the "autonomous" features.
I was thinking the same. By "autonomous" that would clearly eliminate Auto Lane Changing and Park Assist Plus, but I also assume this includes Emergency Assist as defined above?? I've always thought that the US ID.4 Emergency Assist feature is just SOS calling function to central dispatch service.
 

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The way I read this, it’s all software, so over the air updates could in theory add it all if it isn’t included at time if purchase. One can can hope ...
 

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I still wonder how much variability there will be with some of the smart features that are already integrated on the European ID.3 and how they may relate to the published features listed in our US ID.4 configurations. After looking at the full ID.3 manual review livestream I'm curious to know which, if any, of the features below we will get as specifically described in ID.3 manual. Within in each feature we could get only a subset of the functionality mentioned in the ID.3 manual. I also looked at the German configurator of the ID.4 to see if there was better documentation there for feature function definition, but I didn't find anything significant.

Feature
Possible Inclusion within US ID.4 Published Feature
Description
ID.3 Online Manual Documentation
Driver Alert SystemNot mentioned directlyInforms driver if their driving shows signs of tiredness.
Link
Auto Lane Changing (within Travel Assist)"Travel Assist"Vehicle can perform auto lane changing.
Link
Semi-Automatic Vehicle Control in a medical emergency"Emergency Assist"Vehicle can detect driver problem and keep car within lanes and/or brake car to standstill.
Link
Lane Change System (Side Assist) including Side Assist Plus"Side Assist"Helps monitor and prevent accident during lane change.
Link
Auto Hold FunctionNot mentioned directlyPrevents car from rolling downhill without driver pushing brake.
Link
Park Distance Control"Front Assist"Monitors and assists with obstacle avoidance during parking.
Link
Park Assist (Park Assist Plus)Not mentioned directlyAuto parking.
Link
Eco AssistNot mentioned directlyPrompts user on ways to reduce battery consumption. Predictive energy saving driving.
Link

It will be nice once 1st Editions ship to know for sure, but I guess some of these features could be add-on SW features that could be purchased and configured post delivery. I'm still surprised that VW doesn't have clear documentation / published specs at this point. It's weird.
I saw somewhere that all trims get all of the driving assist features including travel assist (which surprised me; in Europe, travel assist is an upgrade option item). Even park distance is listed for all options.

I am still a bit confused about lane assist and travel assist. I was thinking that lane assist was the safety version that simply tries to keep you from drifting out of lane (maybe some ping-pong), but that travel assist literally steers the car (at least on the highway, understanding there can be complications) relatively smoothly down the center of the lane. Not sure why the specs list both as separate items.

I have not seen park assist plus or auto lane change on any U.S. trims. (parking distance, but no auto park feature).
 

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The way I read this, it’s all software, so over the air updates could in theory add it all if it isn’t included at time if purchase. One can can hope ...
makes sense, it seems we all get all of the "assist" packages? If correct, all trims probably have the needed sensors.
 

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I still wonder how much variability there will be with some of the smart features that are already integrated on the European ID.3 and how they may relate to the published features listed in our US ID.4 configurations. After looking at the full ID.3 manual review livestream I'm curious to know which, if any, of the features below we will get as specifically described in ID.3 manual. Within in each feature we could get only a subset of the functionality mentioned in the ID.3 manual. I also looked at the German configurator of the ID.4 to see if there was better documentation there for feature function definition, but I didn't find anything significant.

Feature
Possible Inclusion within US ID.4 Published Feature
Description
ID.3 Online Manual Documentation
Driver Alert SystemNot mentioned directlyInforms driver if their driving shows signs of tiredness.
Link
Auto Lane Changing (within Travel Assist)"Travel Assist"Vehicle can perform auto lane changing.
Link
Semi-Automatic Vehicle Control in a medical emergency"Emergency Assist"Vehicle can detect driver problem and keep car within lanes and/or brake car to standstill.
Link
Lane Change System (Side Assist) including Side Assist Plus"Side Assist"Helps monitor and prevent accident during lane change.
Link
Auto Hold FunctionNot mentioned directlyPrevents car from rolling downhill without driver pushing brake.
Link
Park Distance Control"Front Assist"Monitors and assists with obstacle avoidance during parking.
Link
Park Assist (Park Assist Plus)Not mentioned directlyAuto parking.
Link
Eco AssistNot mentioned directlyPrompts user on ways to reduce battery consumption. Predictive energy saving driving.
Link

It will be nice once 1st Editions ship to know for sure, but I guess some of these features could be add-on SW features that could be purchased and configured post delivery. I'm still surprised that VW doesn't have clear documentation / published specs at this point. It's weird.
The other difference is that in Europe, there were three different "1st" models, ID.3 1ST, ID.3 1ST Plus, ID.3 1ST Max (ID.3 brochure). It seems that the assist features first show in the EU 1ST Max:
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Ver. 7! (may have to fill the screen to read it, 11x17 paper now)

BTW, I sent VW the link explaining group effort, and asked if they would consider an official trim feature list (similar spreadsheet or any format they like), also explained the problem with clicking on a trim and ending up with the description of another trim (because the click deselects the box). Also, told them about the color questions.
Good work!!
Really need energy efficient heat pump in AWD models for northern cold states.

This corporate link states that it has it.
 

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Good work!!
Really need energy efficient heat pump in AWD models for northern cold states.

This corporate link states that it has it.
Thanks!

Unfortunately, only the ID.4 1ST Max in Europe has the heat pump (no U.S. trims have a heat pump, but Canada gets a heat pump too). 1ST Max has much nicer interior colors too (no white steering wheel). I want a "1st Max" :) but, they say not available in the U.S. We can only get the U.S. version of the "1st" or the "Pro" with various trim options, none offering the heat pump.
 

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was thinking the same. By "autonomous" that would clearly eliminate Auto Lane Changing and Park Assist Plus, but I also assume this includes Emergency Assist as defined above?? I've always thought that the US ID.4 Emergency Assist feature is just SOS calling function to central dispatch service.
I questioned my dealership EV specialist yesterday about all the assist features as documented in the ID.3 manual. He believes the same full functionality (not stripped down) as shown in ID.3 manual video review will come on the ID.4 US models including the Auto Lane Changing under "Travel Assist" as well as auto parking in Park Assist. He pointed out that other US model VWs already have the same features. Time will tell for the ID4, but hopefully this is correct.

My specialist did not believe the hardware for the LED front lights was the same on US models vs. EU models which have matrix lighting, even if they look the same....so he said a future software upgrade to enable "matrix lighting" in the US later after regulatory approval wasn't going to happen. He was confident in his statement, but I'm still hoping that he's mistaken. In fact he doesn't believe any installed hardware has been future proofed for future software enabling later. He said car companies would prefer everyone to buy a new car again in a few years than to allow for simple upgrades down the line. Again, I hope this is just past experience, but it's logical.

Lastly, I asked about the trailer hitch. He confirmed that the hitch is fixed in position and does not tuck away like the ball version in Europe that can be swung into place from the trunk. He said the US hitch receiver is always exposed under the bumper. I hope this doesn't look too ugly.
 

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I questioned my dealership EV specialist yesterday about all the assist features as documented in the ID.3 manual. He believes the same full functionality (not stripped down) as shown in ID.3 manual video review will come on the ID.4 US models including the Auto Lane Changing under "Travel Assist" as well as auto parking in Park Assist. He pointed out that other US model VWs already have the same features. Time will tell for the ID4, but hopefully this is correct.

My specialist did not believe the hardware for the LED front lights was the same on US models vs. EU models which have matrix lighting, even if they look the same....so he said a future software upgrade to enable "matrix lighting" in the US later after regulatory approval wasn't going to happen. He was confident in his statement, but I'm still hoping that he's mistaken. In fact he doesn't believe any installed hardware has been future proofed for future software enabling later. He said car companies would prefer everyone to buy a new car again in a few years than to allow for simple upgrades down the line. Again, I hope this is just past experience, but it's logical.

Lastly, I asked about the trailer hitch. He confirmed that the hitch is fixed in position and does not tuck away like the ball version in Europe that can be swung into place from the trunk. He said the US hitch receiver is always exposed under the bumper. I hope this doesn't look too ugly.
thanks for the details. I hope that he is correct on some and incorrect on other aspects 😉
 
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