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I was just in contact with a VW America representative, chatting about my initial impressions of and concerns with my new Pro S.

I mentioned the lack of on board route planning that included EA chargers.
She responded by telling me that a software update is coming late November 2021, which will enable EA chargers to be used in the onboard navigation/route planning system. She mentioned no other bug fixes or feature additions.

Still, hopefully the planned software update also addresses at least some other issues (such as lagginess).
Take this info for what it is (and maybe with a few grains of salt), but it's good to hear they've told their reps. that they plan to be updating the software relatively soon.
 

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Yeah, from what I understand from watching ID.Furkan and others on YT, like my Audi and others, the mapping software is separate from the MMI. It may very well be that they are planning to push a mapping update in November that will change the way the MMI sees EA chargers (as was sort of implied by Dustin, the head of VW USA emobility in a discussion some weeks ago with Kyle on Out of Spec Motoring). But who knows at this point. You'd have a better shot at buying a lottery ticket right now than predicting VW software apparently.
 

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You'd have a better shot at buying a lottery ticket right now than predicting VW software apparently.
A map update wouldn't surprise me - there have already been several, so that isn't a stretch. And I had noted in the past that some EA stations don't show up in the builtin navi as possible charging locations.

The VW customer reps are sometimes misinformed. Or they have old information that is no longer valid. Or it wasn't communicated properly down from the dev teams all the way to the people who are on the phones.
 

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I'm tired of getting my hopes up and then nothing. I will be happy if this is true but I'll believe it when I see it.
I agree, Too many false rumors for me to believe anything will come this year. Hope I'm wrong, but not waiting for any updates. Tesla's infotainment software and OTA capability seems to be the gold standard. I wonder if VW software engineers have ever looked at that as a goal for their own product.
 

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I think there has been some distraction at VW with the recent consolidation of all their software into a new, separate company. They have now effectively pulled much of their software teams from all brands and reorganized, etc. etc. That's always distruptive.

I'm not trying to make excuses for them, they are not doing as well as they should on many fronts and I suspect they know that. The question is what are they going to do about it.
 

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When the CEO states:
  • Volkswagen CEO Brandstätter: “Our Over-the-Air Updates allow us to lay the foundation for new digital business models as we reach a key milestone in our ACCELERATE strategy.”
You have an euphoria to believe him, back on September 13 2021. I am not calling him a liar, but I do have doubt of how ethical he has run his company in the past to present. I believe Hertz must have considered Volkswagen hollow pledges to commitment when they chose Tesla for the 100,000 EV delivery, with out a fraction going to Volkswagen. What a insult! I will keep wishing for update 2.3!
 

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I am as frustrated as the rest. I've had my ID.4 for just four months and have already mentioned toe mobility that I would take a buy-back if offered. VW's black eye is getting larger as more time passes with no updates for US owners.

I agree that the Hertz deal with Tesla was painful for VW but from their perspective they did the right thing. Tesla has the brand cachet along with none of the VW software issues. I'm pretty sure the Tesla software will be gimped for rental drivers anyway.
 

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When the CEO states:
  • Volkswagen CEO Brandstätter: “Our Over-the-Air Updates allow us to lay the foundation for new digital business models as we reach a key milestone in our ACCELERATE strategy.”
You have an euphoria to believe him, back on September 13 2021. I am not calling him a liar, but I do have doubt of how ethical he has run his company in the past to present. I believe Hertz must have considered Volkswagen hollow pledges to commitment when they chose Tesla for the 100,000 EV delivery, with out a fraction going to Volkswagen. What a insult! I will keep wishing for update 2.3!
Not to make excuses for VW or anything, but September 13th was less than seven weeks ago, and the software clearly isn't vaporware since hundreds if not thousands of people have it in Europe already. Compared to some of Elon Musk's announcements over the years that went exactly nowhere, VW has a long way to go with the ID.4 before they can even approach Tesla's BS quotient.

Somehow I think Hertz's deal with Tesla probably has more to do with Tesla's status as a "halo brand" and the simplification benefits of the Supercharger network for renters than it has to do with anything else; I doubt Hertz even knows or cares that VW hasn't rolled out a minor software update yet in some markets. There's lots of other brands of EVs that Hertz isn't buying either.
 

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...there has been some distraction at VW with the recent consolidation of all their software into a new, separate company. ...

...The question is what are they going to do about it.
This IS what they're doing about it.

The "no-distraction" approach would have been to maintain the status quo and continue with integrated systems built by contractors.

VW took the "distracting" path to bring this important component of car-building in-house. I think they've been clear about their roadmap, even shared milestone dates through 2025 for a sense is where their software and platforms are headed.

It's Volkswagen of America that needs to adopt a more transparent policy and let everyone know what to expect in the short term.
 

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It's Volkswagen of America that needs to adopt a more transparent policy and let everyone know what to expect in the short term.
Yeah, this seems to be a recurring theme here on many fronts.... that VQG needs to be doing a better job of communicating about plans, what's coming, etc. They seem to be going more conservative on this front and it's hurting them with their biggest fans, the early adopters. It's a very traditional way of doing business, but it's not in touch with the current marketplace.
 

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This IS what they're doing about it.

The "no-distraction" approach would have been to maintain the status quo and continue with integrated systems built by contractors.

VW took the "distracting" path to bring this important component of car-building in-house. I think they've been clear about their roadmap, even shared milestone dates through 2025 for a sense is where their software and platforms are headed.

It's Volkswagen of America that needs to adopt a more transparent policy and let everyone know what to expect in the short term.
Nai3t, I truly concur with you! Transparency is free and reduces the anxiety of the rollout, so that makes it a team builder event. The goal of Volkswagen AG, should not be the minimum standard of how Tesla may have not fulfilled promises, it should be "how to build positive cohesion" with the people that can help sell their ID4's (the owners and leaser's) via good corporate governance. Not loosey goosey with time delayed promises!
If I was a Shareholder, I would have reduced my position in VW by now.
 

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I remember back when cars did not get updates, where you had what you drove off the lot the whole time you owned it.....oh yeah that was every car I have ever had before the ID.4 ;)

I am with everyone else wanting to get the update as soon as possible and am always looking for that update message to pop up (I am also a guy who downloads every phone, computer, tv, etc.. update as soon as possible) BUT I have over 12,000 miles on my ID.4 in a little less than 6 months and just put over 2000 on it on a road trip over the past week, and not once have I ever considered it bad, lacking, or finding myself wanting to get rid of it because the infotainment software wasn't updated. Yes there are issues and annoyances with the software, and yes sometimes I get a warning light or code that goes out with a power cycle, but overall for me it works great as a car. And that is what it is first and foremost. And in those 12,000 miles it has never not taken me where I wanted to go and never left me stranded (although it has left me unable to change the volume)!

Should VW be more transparent and open? Absolutely, that would be great, but maybe their thought is that if they set a date and miss it there might be bigger backlash than just not stating one at all. And the majority of the market for this car is not those of us who really do care about updates and all the details....they just want a car.
 
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John: Correct as you are, if a sale of a car fails to delivering items that were sold, it becomes a problem. I think if VW cannot and does not deliver on the part of the sale that promised OTA updates so as to always have an up-to-date vehicle operating system, then by definition they have sold one thing and delivered another. Maybe it's not a lemon per se, but it is certainly bait and switch. OTA is supposed to mean that your car's (phone, computer, etc) less likely to be outdated and therefore have a longer useful life.

I'm not a lawyer, but I believe that is grounds for victorious litigation. Is this r-e-a-l-l-y different from lying about the MPG? I'm unconvinced. Either they stop promising updates they can't or won't deliver, or they'll eventually get sued and lose. How many Dieselgates do they want? Listen to the Youtube reviews today and EVERYBODY is saying the buzz on VW is they can't deliver (or won't) on updating the Op system, and the owners are unhappy. If the Op system had been up to speed at issue, maybe it wouldn't be a problem. But it stunk. The public knows it. VW knows it. And so they promised, "Don't worry, it will be fixed in the next Op System release, and we'll do that every 3 months." Really? I'm betting they weren't expecting folks to count in base 10, huh? This used to be the joke about Microsoft's answer to the Blue Screen of Death. Maybe that's not a good precedent? Nah... it stinks.

Sandy Munro even mentions the dissatisfaction of VW owners in one of his recent videos on Tesla. Yep. VW wasn't even the topic of discussion. VW's problem isn't my car. My car's decent. I accept the car for what it is... but they promised more. Their problem is they're now succeeding in converting other non-VW owners like me to an EV... and that's a measurable accomplishment. However... what's the one thing you want as an EV owner? I think in part it's an EV that delivers fully on the promise... and so their risk to emulate Tesla is that they actually succeed in converting a whole slew of owners who buy an ID.4 into subsequent disposal to buy a Tesla - or some other brand that is willing and able to deliver in full on the standard Tesla set. Yes they set the standard. And if you're going to do something different... and not update diddly 'cause you can't, you need to say "Oh... and part of cutting costs? Yeah... we don't update nothing unless you buy a new USB memory stick with the update on it."

And since part of VW's effort with EV's has been to demonstrate good faith....VW's the one who raised the ante, right? Question I'd ask is, "Have they?" I'm unconvinced. I think Audi has done more to deliver on expectations. VW.... it's beginning to look as though they've over promised and under delivered. That's a cardinal sin if they want to survive. They need to underpromise and overdeliver. They've got a good car. So what's wrong with their now 3 months delayed update. Seriously... this was announced as deliverable in July back in June. November... nothing. Europe... something. What's the logic in this? Management at VW Germany has some issues. But VW America seems to have made a promise to themselves to not be left in the dust... "Let's attest that we have even more issues prevent our success then our German CEO!" o_O Yeah... that makes the leadership in both places look really really great.
 
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