ID.4 AWD Pro S, Scale Silver
As I feared - Hyundai's 800V architecture needs some more development. Looks like they have some thermal issues to figure out.
Still quite amazing. 218 kW charge rate! Wow... even a thermal-throttled 120ish kW around 45% SoC is amazeballs. ID.4 gets 83 kW around 45-50% SoC and drops to around 50 kW at 80% SoCAs I feared - Hyundai's 800V architecture needs some more development. Looks like they have some thermal issues to figure out.
ID.4 is giant steelboat with couches for seats. It should be great for road trips.The interior and exterior design elements of the Ioniq 5 and EV6 really appeal to me. At a basic level, they just look like the future! I'm really interested to see more long-term and in-depth reviews of the Kia EV6 when it comes to the charging technology and interior space. I have that sneaking feeling that my ID.4 purchase (hopefully in January or February) might leave me with some regret when we start to see the Hyundais and Kias on the road, particularly when I'm taking a road trip. But those cars are more ideas than reality right now in the US.
They are still compliance EV for US and they will not be sold at all 50 states vs GM .....Nissan and VW.ID.4 is giant steelboat with couches for seats. It should be great for road trips.
Ioniq 5 and EV6 are sold out in most places in the world and only 1500 EV6s will be delivered to the US (First Editions at $59K) in Jan... the rest later in 2022. I suspect very few Ioniq 5 and EV6s will be available for a while. And who knows about reliability (performance looks amazing though). Given how the thermal management system throttles the power... I'd be wary about driving one on highways in Florida summers.
Couldn't agree more! When I saw the screen grabs and then the video "untidy and unfinished look of the battery pack" was the first thought that came to my mind. Later in the video you see the bottom plate with coolant channels, where my immediate thought was "that can't be enough cooling!", and as Bjorn's video above shows, you do get thermal throttling on both, charging and power delivery while driving.The battery assembly in Ioniq 5 does not look as neat as iD4:
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Years ago I laughed at the idea of using LFP for car batteries. Seems like a backward move.. to be used in cheap EVs in China - a less dense battery that cold not perform in cold temperatures but after the Bolt/Kona fires fiasco and Model 3 SR+ using LFP... I'm warming up to them (pun intended).They are still compliance EV for US and they will not be sold at all 50 states vs GM .....Nissan and VW.
By time they start selling all 50 states...there will be Chinese EV makers entering US and some of them are on quality like Lexus and EV hardware and software on the level of Tesla ( if not even better from my testing experience while i was in China)
Only downside is LFP Chemistry that will not work well for owners where harsh winters get very cold....it will need to be connected non stop on L2 or L1 in the winter.
Hyundai..Genesis.....Kia EV have still issues with motor efficiency besides 800 V HV Battery battery management.... I hope they will integrate more expensive hardware for inverter and revisions for battery cooling and heating.
ID 4 is sexy to an EV purist 😍 as it is a ground up EV. Credit to VW for investing in the MEB platform. Please bring over the ID 3, it will sell, the looks, efficiency, and price will appeal to US buyers looking for alternatives to ugly, stale Bolts and Leafs.The xc40 is really cool too. I just couldn't bring myself to spend 10 - 15k more to get more power and have a better looking vehicle than the id4. The id4 isn't ugly, but it ain't sexy like the xc40. Lol. Someday I hope to have the $ to buy based on looks.
Yup.If people weren't overwhelmingly voting ID.4 on an ID forum, that would be very ominous.
As someone with 40-plus years experience in the commercial insurance business, the insurance companies are going to wait and see what the actual claim activity looks like for these cars before they start giving big discounts or adding surcharges to this model or any other new model.I wonder if insurance companies would get wise to this and give discounts to LFP based vehicles?
Not surprising. Mach-E owners have posted detailed reports and don't have the same affinity to EA as we do:While charging South of Oklahoma City this afternoon I met a Polestar 2 . It is on nation wide promotional tour. The guy was having incredible difficulties charging. He would get about 15 second of charge and it would shut off. I will post pics after I get to WiFi.
Hyundai-Kia will probably figure this out eventually but this just tells me E-GMP is "less baked" than MEB. Say what you will about the ID software but the hardware is solid. Now just hoping that CARIAD dials-in the software relatively soon...Another reviewer noticing the Ioniq 5 (and probably all 800V E-GMP cars) has some serious battery thermal management issues. If it takes 30minutes to cool the system down after charging... to get full power then what's the point of faster charging?