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I've had a place-holder reservation on a Mach-e for almost a year and have done the same for the ID-4, waiting for reviews and EPA numbers before making a final decision. What interests me most about the ID.4 are the overall appearance and utility, while what interests me most about the Mach-e is the infotainment system. I don't care for how the Mach-e looks, and I am very concerned with the ID.4 infotainment. Wh else here is considering the Mach-e?
 

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I was but not so much now. I’m test driving one on the 9th. I’m not crazy about the looks of it either. I do want to see it in person though. I drove the Model Y last Wednesday. I still have my ID 4 1st Edition reserved, but thinking about changing to an AWD Pro S to buy some time before I make a decision. The good thing is the $500 is fully refundable til the day your pickup your car. I am leaning toward the Y, but I’ve loved the VW since I saw it a couple of years ago. Tough decision!
 

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I also have reservation for Mach-e. There are a lot of unknown at this point. Things always looks good in paper but I'm not gonna bet 40k+ on that. I have to drive the car and see if it meets my needs. End of the day it's a new tool that takes you point A to B.
 

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I also have reserved the Mach-e along with the ID.4. I am also interested in the Nissan Ariya, but no one seems to know when it will be open for reservations. I don't need the car until the spring so I am just waiting to see what happens.
 

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I wasn't impressed with the Mach-E. Looking at the AWD, the cost is almost the same as the ID.4 yet only has a 210 mile range. As we are waiting on the AWD, hoping there is more info on the Ariya before we have to pull the trigger.
 
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I was seriously looking into the Mach E, but as documented in my write-up, ended up dropping it. Other than the Select trim, all models are seriously outside my budget, and the Select trim is a bit underwhelming in my opinion. Then we had some shenanigans by dealers piling on fees, and the long wait. Just not worth my brain cycles.
 

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With nearly 20 different vehicle purchases over four decades, the Passat I purchased two years ago was just my second that did not have a blue oval on it. (Technically two of them were Mercury's) So when the Mach E didn't even cross my mind until weeks after my 1st Edition reservation it's pretty clear my brand loyalty has shifted. Plus the ID.4 looks much better than the Mach E, IMO.
 

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The Mach E is a bit too expensive with the big battery, and I'm not a fan of the slope back. I saw one at the LA Auto show last year, but didn't get to get a good look inside. Interiors sell a car for me more than exteriors because that's where you spend your time while driving it.

I may go take a look at them again when they show up at dealers.
 

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The Mach E is a bit too expensive with the big battery, and I'm not a fan of the slope back. I saw one at the LA Auto show last year, but didn't get to get a good look inside. Interiors sell a car for me more than exteriors because that's where you spend your time while driving it.

I may go take a look at them again when they show up at dealers.
They've been making the rounds to dealers for looking (not driving) for a few weeks now on east and west coasts.

Mach-e Road Tour
 

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What BS about it I've not reviewed yet
(I'm on my 2nd no $ down FMCredit lease with high credit score)

Here's the link.


Essentially it's not a traditional lease.

How It Works

  • Select the Mustang Mach-E of your choice, based on needs or budget.
  • Provide your down payment (25% of vehicle value max) and your estimated annual mileage needed.
  • Enjoy smaller payments than retail financing and choose from terms of 36 or 48 months.
  • At the end of your term, you can retain your vehicle, renew into a new Ford or Lincoln or return your Mustang Mach-E after settling your account balance.

Kicker here is that in a traditional lease the bank/lender owns the car and the tax credit is applied to the capitalization cost of the car and you can get a reduced monthly rate. With Options the consumer is responsible for application of the tax credit.

Anyway, I don't see this as a positive for the consumer.
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Here is Walk Around video of the Mach-E. Funny how the car is going to be in people's driveways shortly and still haven't seen a driving review of the vehicle.

 

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I see some advantages to this for a place like Texas, which charges the full sales tax on a regular lease, and again on the buyout price if you buy it at the end of the lease. BMW offers a "lease" of this type in TX. With this option, If you end up keeping the car, you have only paid sales tax once. Also, it may be that you can select lower than usual annual mileage. I'm retired and don't commute, so a 5000 mile or 7500 mile option would be nice and the usual lease minimum is 10,000 miles.

You are right that this new financing option is of limited value in a lot of places, but in TX, it's useful.
 

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The Mach-e looks more like a sport sedan (or hatch), the iD4 is more of a practical SUV shape, e.g. car seats etc. The Ford looks more like a traditional car, the iD4 looks more futuristic.

VW group has more experience with BEVs (e-Golf/e-Up/iD3/e-Tron/Taycan), so that could show in how the car performs. If you look at VW group EV reviews, they perform well in general (for example check the latest range test with e-up and other small BEVs on carwow).


Most of VW EVs meet or exceed their rated range. Ford had the Focus EV and a couple of PHEVs, so they are still fresh in terms of a long range BEV. Also it looks like VW MEB is a more comprehensive design effort than Ford, which is still not fully committed to a BEV platform.

The main problem with Mach-e is that the long range versions get too close to Model Y price.
 

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The California trim of the Mach-e looks like the best value, but even that would cost about $9,000 more than the ID.4 1st edition I have a reservation for, after accounting for sales tax differences in Washington state. The Mach-e looks like it might have a slightly more premium interior than the ID.4, though I haven't seen either in person yet. The Mach-e has quicker acceleration, though I expect that the ID.4 will be perfectly adequate for us. The Ford dealers I have been to around Seattle have also been the most sleazy and stereotypically bad, while I had great experiences with the local VW dealerships. So, I don't see the Mach-e as a car for me, but because of the tax credit it is still a solid and practical car that is cheaper than a Model Y.
 

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The California trim of the Mach-e looks like the best value, but even that would cost about $9,000 more than the ID.4 1st edition I have a reservation for, after accounting for sales tax differences in Washington state. The Mach-e looks like it might have a slightly more premium interior than the ID.4, though I haven't seen either in person yet. The Mach-e has quicker acceleration, though I expect that the ID.4 will be perfectly adequate for us. The Ford dealers I have been to around Seattle have also been the most sleazy and stereotypically bad, while I had great experiences with the local VW dealerships. So, I don't see the Mach-e as a car for me, but because of the tax credit it is still a solid and practical car that is cheaper than a Model Y.
I saw one in person a couple of weeks ago during the tour. I was looking at it after I canceled my ID. It seems small compared to ID and MY? I still may get ID AWD Pro S, but I’m also looking at MY. They are both 49k but tax credit with ID. Very tough decision. Batteries in Tesla are superb as are the software updates. Still pondering.
 

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I saw one in person a couple of weeks ago during the tour. I was looking at it after I canceled my ID. It seems small compared to ID and MY? I still may get ID AWD Pro S, but I’m also looking at MY. They are both 49k but tax credit with ID. Very tough decision. Batteries in Tesla are superb as are the software updates. Still pondering.
I really liked the Model Y when I took one for a test drive, but but my wife is strongly opposed to paying that much for a car. Washington state has a sales tax exemption for vehicles with a MSRP under $45k, and I don't think I can justify any car over that threshold. To bring this back to the Mach-e, that rules out any trim except the base version in RWD. The base trim leaves out the driver assistance features and niceties like heated seats that my wife enjoys on our Leaf, so she would see it as a downgrade in daily driving, even if it handled long trips better. So, I don't see a Mach-e working for us. I think if we were going to exceed our budget, we would just get a Model Y.
 

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I really liked the Model Y when I took one for a test drive, but but my wife is strongly opposed to paying that much for a car. Washington state has a sales tax exemption for vehicles with a MSRP under $45k, and I don't think I can justify any car over that threshold. To bring this back to the Mach-e, that rules out any trim except the base version in RWD. The base trim leaves out the driver assistance features and niceties like heated seats that my wife enjoys on our Leaf, so she would see it as a downgrade in daily driving, even if it handled long trips better. So, I don't see a Mach-e working for us. I think if we were going to exceed our budget, we would just get a Model Y.
I understand how she feels. If I buy the ID Pro S AWD for 49k, I get 10k back in fed & state taxes. If I buy MY, I only get $2500 back. I’m struggling paying that much with my practicality. My wife is actually encouraging me to get the MY since ID is a new product. She thinks that there will be lots of first year issues. I told her I think VW has their stuff together with this vehicle. For now I’ll just keep procrastinating! 🤪
 

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I don't think Ford is going to be as serious about EVs as VW is. I know someone who had a focus electric and had issues with the Ford service center not taking their issues seriously. Trying to talk them into gas car, etc.

VW is really going all in on EVs with plans to be a mostly electric car company. Ford isn't. That tells you everything you need to know.

With all that said, the Mach-E is nice. I like the interior a lot but the styling suffers from the same flaw as the Tesla Model Y. That stupid sloping rear roof so you cant put guide boats, kayaks, ski boxes, etc on the roof. At least with the ID.4 it has traditional SUV proportions so you can still use it for utility purposes.
 
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