[grubis]

Interestingly Edmunds and Kelly Bluebook both seem to indicate that the AWD version of the id4 IS the change for 2022.. thus AWD is a 2022 model. I'm sure they probably get their data from the same database, so I'm not sure how diverse the sources are.

Also, coupled with the fact that for Oct. builds, VW removed the VIN numbers from the graphql reservation response system... could mean starting with Oct builds, they will be considered 2022 models.

Thoughts?

 

[SunWizard]

This site which tracks production starts for all models says the 2022 will begin on 12-20-21:

Volkswagen (Build Out Final Order Start Up Dates) – Donlen

www.donlen.com

 

[Steve R]

Interestingly Edmunds and Kelly Bluebook both seem to indicate that the AWD version of the id4 IS the change for 2022.. thus AWD is a 2022 model. I'm sure they probably get their data from the same database, so I'm not sure how diverse the sources are.

Also, coupled with the fact that for Oct. builds, VW removed the VIN numbers from the graphql reservation response system... could mean starting with Oct builds, they will be considered 2022 models.

Thoughts?

My AWD is sitting in Baltimore at status 30-3 and they have removed the VIN from the graphql object but I copied it down a while ago and it is a 2021 model. There is also another graphql that has a variable for model year and that indicates 2021.

 

[fireboy92k]

This site which tracks production starts for all models says the 2022 will begin on 12-20-21:

Volkswagen (Build Out Final Order Start Up Dates) – Donlen

www.donlen.com

That makes sense as it probably coincides with the holidays when a lot of companies shut down their factories for the holiday, focusing on inventory, training, etc. and of course holiday vacations. I don't know for sure if VW does that, but I know the ISO manufacturer I worked for here in the US did that very thing.

 

[tothemoon]

My AWD is sitting in Baltimore at status 30-3 and they have removed the VIN from the graphql object but I copied it down a while ago and it is a 2021 model. There is also another graphql that has a variable for model year and that indicates 2021.

I just picked up my AWD yesterday and can confirm that the monroney on has it as a 2021.

 

[Spin]

I wonder if the 22s will have free EA charging.

 

[CoSolar]

I wonder if the 22s will have free EA charging.

One would hope if VW was advertising the availability of free EA charging at the time a customer placed their reservation, VW would honor that part of the "deal". Same thing with pricing but who knows?

 

[Eric Nay]

@SunWizard's data looks authoritative and solid. On the other hand, I've seen plenty of times dealers are hawking the next year's models in November, at least. It costs the car company nothing to lie like that, so they shift the model year production all the time. Are German car companies held to higher ethical standards?

 

[WandsMagic]

I wonder if the 22s will have free EA charging.

And will the MSRP be the same or higher?

 

[WandsMagic]

And will the MSRP be the same or higher?

According to the reservation page, "
Reserve your ID.4 Pro
It’s an EV that’s truly evolved – start by making your selections.

Pricing and product specifications provided are for MY21 vehicles. Based on production timing, pricing, product specifications, model year and pick-up timeframe may change."

 

[Spin]

Sounds like they are leaving themselves an option to change things for 2022 models.

 

[Stinsy]

Don't forget the whole "Model Year" thing is something made up by dealers in the US. It isn't something that exists in the real world.

 

[ExCivilian]

Are German car companies held to higher ethical standards?

VW has a problematic relationship with "ethical" standards.

 

[donpablopereira]

Interestingly Edmunds and Kelly Bluebook both seem to indicate that the AWD version of the id4 IS the change for 2022.. thus AWD is a 2022 model. I'm sure they probably get their data from the same database, so I'm not sure how diverse the sources are.

Also, coupled with the fact that for Oct. builds, VW removed the VIN numbers from the graphql reservation response system... could mean starting with Oct builds, they will be considered 2022 models.

Thoughts?

Not true. My AWD comes in a few weeks. Already has Vin and is a 2021. Those who wait may loose Fed Tax Credit as VW/Audi likely to hit the 200k threshold sometime next year.

 

[ExCivilian]

Those who wait may loose Fed Tax Credit as VW/Audi likely to hit the 200k threshold sometime next year.

It's calculated separately for each brand and only those sold in the US count. Including all model year eGolfs that have been sold and all of the ID4s in 2021, VW has only sold about 40K EVs in the US.

 

[donpablopereira]

Sorry not true. Audi and VW lumped as one. ID4 at 85k now including 10k 8n back orders. I went through this with Tesla. By this time next year all gone

 

[ExCivilian]

Sorry not true. Audi and VW lumped as one. ID4 at 85k now including 10k 8n back orders. I went through this with Tesla. By this time next year all gone

Would you mind explaining what you read that leads you to believe this is correct?

Audi is a subsidiary of VW. Audi manufactures their own cars and VW manufactures their own--and each are obviously their own brand. You're the only person I've ever seen make this argument so I'm curious why you think this.

VW only managed to sell ~18K eGolfs in all the years they offered them here. They had managed to sell ~18K ID4s in the US by Q3 and I thought an extra 10K for Q4 was generous. 65K in Q4 is an unrealistic claim. They only sold about 95K total vehicles in Q4 in the US and somewhere around 110K in global ID4s; it doesn't seem like you got 85K from those sources.

If you went through this with Tesla then you should remember the incentives don't just disappear. They phase out. Even if VW somehow managed to sell their 200,000th vehicle next year in the US, every car for the rest of the year, or perhaps the quarter someone would have to look that up, would still qualify, Then I believe it halves the following quarter after that...but whatever it does, it doesn't just cease.

 

[donpablopereira]

You'll see.

 

[SunWizard]

You'll see.

We can already go to the IRS rules here to see you are very wrong, we will know 6 months in advance exactly when the credit will start to phase out, which would be only after ID.4 sales expand by huge numbers and then a delay, and @ExCivilian has counted the numbers correctly. IRS says:
The qualified plug-in electric drive motor vehicle credit phases out for a manufacturer’s vehicles over the one-year period beginning with the second calendar quarter after the calendar quarter in which at least 200,000 qualifying vehicles manufactured by that manufacturer have been sold for use in the United States (determined on a cumulative basis for sales after December 31, 2009) (“phase-out period”). Qualifying vehicles manufactured by that manufacturer are eligible for 50 percent of the credit if acquired in the first two quarters of the phase-out period and 25 percent of the credit if acquired in the third or fourth quarter of the phase-out period.

 

[Huey52]

Please be reminded that the parent company is VW Audi Group (VWAG or VAG).