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So, as I was conveying my excitement over my ID.4 pre-order to my beloved wife, she said something to me that caught me off guard. She said, “Don’t you think you should get a ‘grown up’ car?”

I work in finance, and many of my co-workers drive BMWs, Audis, Lexus‘, and the like. Personally, I’m not a massive auto enthusiast, and I’ve always preferred comfort and practicality over status. If you own one of those brands, or any luxury brand, this isn’t a slam against you. I know there are several reasons to buy those brands other than just status. They’re excellent vehicles. And if you enjoy enhanced driving dynamics and appreciate the upscale styling, I completely understand. But for my driving style, needs, and where I enjoy using my budget, I’m perfectly happy in what’s perceived as a less-premium brand.

I started to defend myself, saying that I felt that VW, was a premium brand, if not exactly luxury, at least here in the US. She then said, “How would you feel picking up a client in that car?” I said, “I’d be fine with it. It’s a great looking car that’s sensible and good for the environment. What better message can I send?” As a side note, between COVID and the reality of my client meetings, I don’t think a client has ever been in my car in the last 20 years anyway. At most they’ve watched me get in it.

I guess this is more of a rant than a question, because I know the answer. The ID.4 is a great car that I’m thrilled to get behind the wheel of. In fact, in conversations with clients about clean energy investing, I’ve told them about my pre order, and how I believe 2021 is the year electric cars truly start to go mainstream. I’m happy to be on the front end of it.

Anyway, I’m just curious about how others feel about the perceived status of the ID.4. What do you think?
 

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I guess I am like you, I get what I want to satisfy my needs at a price I am comfortable with. I certainly don't care what others think of the cars I drive. I drive them for me, nobody else.
 

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The ID4 is a huge status above any brand of fossil fueled car to many people (like me!) But for those who only worry about brand name, they are all stuck on their specific brand anyhow, it must be a mercedes or cadillac, etc. Status is not worth much.
 

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She has a bit of a point in my opinion. A Euro friend explained to me that Volkswagen is basically the GM of Europe. They are considered the entry level or budget brand. That said, the marketing in the US highlights the German pedigree a bit more and positions it essentially as the entry level luxury brand.

I think the ID.4 looks great personally. It's no Audi or Volvo though.
 

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The ID4 is a huge status above any brand of fossil fueled car to many people (like me!)
Well said! I believe this too. I'd be lying if I said I wasn't concerned about status at all, otherwise I'd just be driving a beater. I think the EV status far outweighs the brand. I forgot to mention, but I did point out to my wife that one of the most successful people I know in my line of work drives a Nissan Leaf. But I don't think he, or anybody, owns an EV just for status. They own it because it's the right thing to do.

I think the ID.4 looks great personally. It's no Audi or Volvo though.
This is true, and I hear what you're saying. In fact, in a few years those are the two exact brands I'll be looking at once their EV lineup is more fleshed out. In the meantime I'm happy to drive the ID.4.
 

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If Steve Ballmer can drive a Ford Fusion, you are fine in an ID.4. Ironically, my mother-in-law was upset with me because I bought my wife a Subaru and she though that my wife should only drive around in a MB/BMW/Audi. I wonder what she will think when we replace the Subaru with the ID.4.
 

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A person's maturity is not always connected to the car they drive. Many of the people I see driving "grown-up" luxury cars are not very grown up themselves.

I think the ID.4 is a very sensible and mature choice. It is not a "sports" car like the Tesla or Mach-E, and it is not over the top in leather and luxury like a Mecedes/Jaguar/etc. It's just a good, solid car.
 

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I once knew someone who bought one of those "luxury" cars and commented that she finally had a grown-up car. I honestly didn't understand how her Camry wasn't "grown up" (how many teens are choosing to drive those?). Many people place more importance on others' perceptions than I do.

If someone gifted me an expensive car, I might take it (not 100%, because of insurance, increased concern re: damage, etc.), but my car is just a way for me to drive 30 miles a day to/from the office. The rest of the time, a luxury car would just be a more expensive space-filler in my garage.

And back to that person I knew: her parents were paying her auto insurance. Seemed to me that the "grown up" thing to do would be to pay one's own bills. But that just confirmed for me how some opinions can be completely disassociated from reality.
 

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Maintenance and repairs on Mercedes or Volvo can be quite expensive. VW still isn't cheap, of course, but it is a big improvement in TCO.
 

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That's an interesting comment from your wife and a slightly different direction than I assumed from reading the thread title. I will be switching from a Minivan that I almost exclusively drive in Eco mode. It was the right tool for the job when my kids were younger and were going through carriers, toddler car seats, had a ton of kid cargo, and would have opened doors into other cars. I read the reviews about the ID.4 being underpowered for an EV, will RWD be enough, etc. I've never had a car with 4WD or AWD and been fine and I'm sure the ID.4 will have better acceleration than a minivan. Also, driving an EV has a lot of utility for me. I have solar panels and try to be environmentally responsible but needing a family car, there really hasn't been a reasonable option other than hybrids.

To me, this is very much a grown up car. It's a car that I expect to enjoy driving, it aligns with my ethos and it has a lot of modern functions and features. I don't know that my wife is thrilled about an EV and definitely has range anxiety, but it's a car that I'm buying for me and not because of external needs, pressures, or budgetary limitations I may have had when I was younger. I'm not buying it to please or impress anyone, I'm buying it for me. That feels like a grown up thing to do. Based on my logic, it's a grown up car!
 

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I've been driving VW's since 2004. All have been Diesels. I have heard it all, VWs are expensive, you cannot find parts, no mechanic will touch 'em, if you need an alignment, you have to take it to the dealer, blah, blah, blah, Lies, lies lies!!!

Out of all 6 cars I've owned, the 1998 New Beetle was the only one that gave me problems due to the interiors being crap. Otherwise, the engine and tranny gave me no issues other than regular maintenance. I drove that car till it was over 240K miles old. The trick is to follow the maintenance based on what needs to be done at the time it needs to be done. If you follow the maintenance based on "feelings" like, " I feel I need to rotate the tires now, change the oil, etc" you will most certainly have problems.

There are so many resources on the "internets" for parts, repair, forums and local mechanics other than the dealers for VWs. For example www.vwvortex.com, TDIclub.com, myturbodiesel.com, ECS Tuning, ID Parts, www.tunemyeuro.com, my local mechanics www.wagenwerksincfl.com, Tint Specialist West (Log into Facebook).

As far as grown up cars. Personally, even if I can afford it, I can't see myself buying a car with a price tag of over $50K. The e-tron GT quattro Premium Plus is US$99,900, e-tron GT quattro Prestige will sell for US$107,100, and the highest-end RS e-tron GT will cost US$139,900. They look awesome, but there is no way I'll take a loan for that much. Back in 2004 I bought a house for $139,000. That is crazy.

Eventually, ID.4 owners will start uploading repair videos on YouTube, DIY maintenance, VCDS tweaks. I'll stick to what I know and trust.
 

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To me, this is very much a grown up car. It's a car that I expect to enjoy driving, it aligns with my ethos and it has a lot of modern functions and features. I don't know that my wife is thrilled about an EV and definitely has range anxiety, but it's a car that I'm buying for me and not because of external needs, pressures, or budgetary limitations I may have had when I was younger. I'm not buying it to please or impress anyone, I'm buying it for me. That feels like a grown up thing to do. Based on my logic, it's a grown up car!
Very well said! That’s exactly how I feel. When my wife bought her current Audi Q7, she was torn between that an a VW Atlas. She kept asking me which one she should get. My reply was “It’s your car. Get the one that YOU like.”
Ironically, she went with the Audi but tells me she wishes she’d bought the Atlas. Maybe I need to remind her that even she regrets buying the “grown up” car.

Then again, maybe not. We all know how those “I told you so” conversations go. ;)
 

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Sounds weird but I didn’t want to buy a Tesla because the perceived notions I would feel owning one. I wanted to shed my ICE and go EV and there weren’t a lot of options, so I went with an E-Golf. I always felt people would see me as rich or elitist because of the brand car I drive. I can afford a Tesla model 3, and love how they drive but I don’t know... Also I like to have buttons, better built vehicle, so the E-Golf was a great entry. Looking forward to ID.4!
 

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Sounds weird but I didn’t want to buy a Tesla because the perceived notions I would feel owning one
I feel the same way. Tesla has developed a very strong reputation that doesn't really appeal to me. I just don't consider myself a "Tesla" person. I'm also not a "Mustang" person, either.

Nothing wrong with those cars, they're both great, but just not for me.
 

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Yeah, I interpret "grown up" car very differently than some. As with others, I interpreted this thread title in a different way than it immediately went. A "grown up" car to me is one that does the things you "need" it to do and not too much more while being safe, reliable, comfortable, etc. Tesla's and sports cars aren't "grown up" to me because you're spending all kinds of money to get cars that have crazy acceleration or have all kinds of bells and whistles that you aren't going to use more than a handful of times. When am I going to need to go 125 mph? Never. Likewise, junker cars aren't "grown up" (if you can afford better) because they fail the safe, reliable, comfortable portion of the test. Luxury cars are great I'm sure, some of the wealthier parts of my extended family have them and they seem nice, but I can think of better ways to spend an additional $25-50k.
A VW ID.4 seems like a great way to get a new EV that works for my family, works for my commute (whenever that happens again), and works for most, but not all, of my recreational needs. Seems grown up to me.
 

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I'd love a MK8 Golf R, but the ID.4 seems more like the mature, acting-my-age choice for me. 🧐 I did the Cadillac thing in my thirties, so I already got that out of the way.
 

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Maintenance and repairs on Mercedes or Volvo can be quite expensive. VW still isn't cheap, of course, but it is a big improvement in TCO.
I'm trading in a BMW X1 for an ID4 (or whichever CUV-EV meets my needs at my price point and can be delivered first). I won't lie, I enjoyed the cachet and performance...and then the warranty ran out. After around year 6 this machine has been averaging $1k in repairs every year - brakes, electrical system, and just now a cracked valve cover. I can't wait to give someone else a chance to enjoy the "status" of a premium German marque.
 

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It's comfortable, (mostly) environmentally-friendly, fun to drive, provides a lot of utility, has a sleek professional appearance, and fits nicely within your budget. How is any of that not "grown up"?

I think it's they that need to learn that being "grown up" means making your own decisions about blending finance, fashion, and functionality, rather than having some "experts" tell you to spend a lot of money just for the sake of appearance rather than usefulness or comfort.
 

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Awesome discusion! I agree with pretty much everything that was said.

I am fortunate enough that I could afford a car in the Model S range, but I have no use for that much car, nor can I justify to myself spending so much cash on a rapidly depreciating asset. My personal ceiling was $45,000, I had a few must haves and wants, and the ID4 FE fits like a glove.
I think its handsome, slightly understated, but very modern appearance will make quite a statement on my driveway.
 
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