[bobdavisnpf]

Included in my ID.4 and on its window sticker list is "11 kW AC onboard charger"
In a quick test, this is pulling 9.6A @ 119V = 1142 Watts. Not bad. Charge info shows 6:15 hours to pick up 8% (from 72 to 80%). Ok. Range guesstimator picked up 3 miles in about 30 minutes. Cool. Showed 5:45 to pick up 8% after 30 min.

There are faster L1 chargers readily available.
My Chevy Volt's L1 charger is "12A 120V max 1550 watts" on its UL sticker.
In a quick test, it's pulling 11.5A @ 119V = 1368 watts. That's, like, 20% better. Charge info shows 4:35 to pick up 8%. Again, probably 20% better.

These may not seem like much but for me it'll be worth putting away the ID4's L1 and carrying the Volt's. We sometimes go to a rental cabin that has 110VAC only. During the drive out & back, the extra 20% juice may make the difference between pit stop at a shopping center's charge station vs pit stop at a ranger station for a nature walk.

 

[Froggy]

I have been getting 3 miles per hour using the stock L1 charger but I have to use a short heavy duty extension cord to reach the outlet.

 

[mochalatte]

Included in my ID.4 and on its window sticker list is "11 kW AC onboard charger"
In a quick test, this is pulling 9.6A @ 119V = 1142 Watts. Not bad.

For clarity, the onboard charger the sticker refers to is the inverter that is built into all EVs which converts the line AC power into the DC power needed for charging batteries. There are several standard sizes, and 11 kW means the ID.4 can utilize up to 48 A from a 240 V EVSE running on a 60 A circuit breaker.

When you use the 120 V EVSE Volkswagen supplies with the ID.4, you are indeed using onboard charger but it is only running at about 10% of its capacity pushing 1.142 kW to the car.

Yes, there are more powerful Level 1 chargers available like the one from your Volt.

 

[Nai3t]

Here's something I've observed on my i3 that I need to test on the ID.4:

12 amps consistently gets me 25% SOC over 8 hours.

16 amps consistently gets me 40% SOC over 8 hours.

16 amps is 33% greater than 12 amps, but...

40% SOC is 60% greater than 25% SOC.

So on that car, not only is the 16 amp rate faster, it's 20% more efficient!

I need to plug the stock 10 amp EVSE into the i3 and check the results, but I also need to do these same comparisons on the ID.4, since ultimately this has nothing to do with the EVSE (unless the 12A unit is mislabeled).

 

[mochalatte]

16 amps is 33% greater than 12 amps, but...

40% SOC is 60% greater than 25% SOC.

Could it be because part of the power is for running the cooling fans or coolant fluid? That might take a proportionally larger share of smaller charger.

 

[Nai3t]

Possibly, I haven't connected a power meter to confirm electrical draws. But no matter, it's proportionally more juice in the tank for a given draw.

 

[bobdavisnpf]

I have been getting 3 miles per hour using the stock L1 charger but I have to use a short heavy duty extension cord to reach the outlet.

Mine will likely drop too, guesstimator was 420 miles new, I've gone just 120 miles so not enough to come into line with actual range. The watts should be accurate now though, I got 'em off a killawatt reader.

On my Clipper Creek LCS-25, car shows 1:05 to pick up 7% (73-80%) and 22mph. Hard to imagine a wimpy little bottom-of-the-line L2 being five times faster than L1; may make it easier to wait on a big bad 60-80 amp unit.

 

[gtwhitegold]

I haven't tried timing it, but it does seem like the 110v evse that came with my FIAT 500e is much faster than the standard EVSE that comes with the ID.4. I used that before my NeoCharge arrived.

 

[Nai3t]

If it's higher amperage, say 12 amps, then it's 20% faster than the one that comes with the ID.4.

But the Fiat's battery is 1/3 the size of the VW, so at any given rate of charge, it will charge from 0 to 100 3x faster.

 

[AuroraBruhrealis]

Here's something I've observed on my i3 that I need to test on the ID.4:

12 amps consistently gets me 25% SOC over 8 hours.

16 amps consistently gets me 40% SOC over 8 hours.

16 amps is 33% greater than 12 amps, but...

40% SOC is 60% greater than 25% SOC.

So on that car, not only is the 16 amp rate faster, it's 20% more efficient!

I need to plug the stock 10 amp EVSE into the i3 and check the results, but I also need to do these same comparisons on the ID.4, since ultimately this has nothing to do with the EVSE (unless the 12A unit is mislabeled).

@Nai3t : I see you write a lot about charging efficiency! Have you had the opportunity to test out L1 vs L2 efficiency on the ID.4 yet?

I'm fairly confident I can manage relying nearly exclusively on L1 at home (80% of the time) with the occasional L2 or L3 "in public". So speed of L2 does not add a lot of value to my situation. I thus would be avoiding the upfront outlay to install an L2 at home. However I've been assuming similar "net power draw" between L1 and at home L2 (actual power consumed to charge). Have you observed differences?

 

[Nai3t]

@Nai3t : I see you write a lot about charging efficiency! Have you had the opportunity to test out L1 vs L2 efficiency on the ID.4 yet?

I'm fairly confident I can manage relying nearly exclusively on L1 at home (80% of the time) with the occasional L2 or L3 "in public". So speed of L2 does not add a lot of value to my situation. I thus would be avoiding the upfront outlay to install an L2 at home. However I've been assuming similar "net power draw" between L1 and at home L2 (actual power consumed to charge). Have you observed differences?

I did test this out on the ID.4 and posted the results in another thread (I think!), and unfortunately on the ID.4 the L1 is fairly linear -- that is to say 16A is about 33% faster than 12A (as 12 x 1.33 = 16), and all-in-all as a whole L1 remains around 8% less efficient than L2. So not the happy outcome I was hoping for.