As a fellow manual transmission enthusiast I say this with love, manufacturers in the U.S. don’t care about manual transmission buyers...because we’re a minuscule blip on the sales chart, if we show up at all.
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Locked my order today but may still cancel if better AWD EV option appears
I was able to pay my additional $400 on my AWD Pro order after checking today (reserved on Oct. 19). There is still a chance I will cancel if a better AWD EV at a similar price appears between now and delivery time. Things I don't like so far about ID.4 after looking at the available information on it: No true one-pedal driving (love that about my Bolt). Creep mode that US ID.4's don't seem to be able to disable. I really hate having a car move without me telling it to. Apparently, VW doesn't think those of us who prefer manual transmission over automatic transmission merit consideration (I have never owned an automatic transmission car) The lack of regular buttons/dials, etc for often used controls. I dislike touch screens as a user interface, especially when one needs to keep their eyes on the road, it's the aspect of my Bolt I like the least. A little disappointed that heat pump is not an option on US ID.4 as well. Most other aspects of the ID.4 seem OK to me although different size front vs rear tires is a bit off-putting. I think that most of my concerns have been voiced in one or another of the posted reviews but thought I would list what I consider the current negatives about the ID.4 here.
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For the masses, not the manual-aires!
People who drive with an automatic transmission, are clutch-less!For the masses, not the manual-aires!
I agree completely with the OP. Paid my $400 today, too. If the Audi Q4 E-Treon or the Hyundai Ioniq 5 have true one pedal without creep, and maybe a heat pump, I will bail. The American version is too dumbed down; it is not aimed at EV enthusiasts.
That's VW's point. It's a transitional market car.it is not aimed at EV enthusiasts.
I also locked in my ID.4 awd pro s today. Besides better ev's on the horizon, I'm worried the federal tax credit could be revised to be only on domestic ev manufacturers, thus including Tesla and excluding the German built ID.4's.I was able to pay my additional $400 on my AWD Pro order after checking today (reserved on Oct. 19). There is still a chance I will cancel if a better AWD EV at a similar price appears between now and delivery time. Things I don't like so far about ID.4 after looking at the available information on it: No true one-pedal driving (love that about my Bolt). Creep mode that US ID.4's don't seem to be able to disable. I really hate having a car move without me telling it to. Apparently, VW doesn't think those of us who prefer manual transmission over automatic transmission merit consideration (I have never owned an automatic transmission car) The lack of regular buttons/dials, etc for often used controls. I dislike touch screens as a user interface, especially when one needs to keep their eyes on the road, it's the aspect of my Bolt I like the least. A little disappointed that heat pump is not an option on US ID.4 as well. Most other aspects of the ID.4 seem OK to me although different size front vs rear tires is a bit off-putting. I think that most of my concerns have been voiced in one or another of the posted reviews but thought I would list what I consider the current negatives about the ID.4 here.
Hopefully by the time I have to make a commitment, that info will be available.
I'm at EXACTLY the same spot as you! I drive a Bolt, LOVE one pedal driving, hate creep, STRONGLY dislike touch screens (the Bolt for audio & some HVAC)... Reconsidering a look at the Mach E (doesn't seem any better at touch screens than the ID.4 but has 1 pedal driving) and even the Tesla Y (But it's butt ugly, and the screen layout sucks.) I really appreciate the larger battery pack and range of both the MME and MY though. Not to mention the superior Tesla charging eco system and rate. There are literally places I can't go with the current Bolt. Might be able to get to with the ID.4 (or 2022 Bolt/EUV but the slow charging rate), definitely with MME (large battery) or MY. Sometimes choices really suck!
I too received an email to lock in, pay $400, and confirm my AWD order today. It says I have until March 19th. I think I will go ahead and lock in, since it's fully refundable, just so I can keep my options open.
I am kind of excited we got the AWD lock in option now, I wasn't expecting it for a couple more months. I'm kind of hot and cold with the ID.4, as each review comes out, I'm thinking yes and then another comes out and I say maybe not...oh well, such is life on the waiting list.
I am kind of excited we got the AWD lock in option now, I wasn't expecting it for a couple more months. I'm kind of hot and cold with the ID.4, as each review comes out, I'm thinking yes and then another comes out and I say maybe not...oh well, such is life on the waiting list.
And CREEPERS!People who drive with an automatic transmission, are clutch-less!
The American version is too dumbed down; it is not aimed at EV enthusiasts.
I am fine with them making it a transitional car but do you need to make it feel so much like an ICE car? They might as well make drivers check in to a gas station once a week as ICErs are comfortable filling up!That's VW's point. It's a transitional market car.
The one pedal driving, creep, and auto hold are all functions that are controlled by the software. There is zero reason why they can't have the driver select which mode they prefer to use in the settings. Even driving in "B" you will need to double shift the gear selector each time as if reverts back to "D" each time you start.
For better or worse, that's the decision they've made. They'll sell millions whether people consider it an "EV" or an "Electric Volkswagen."I am fine with them making it a transitional car but do you need to make it feel so much like an ICE car?
Does that make it an EV or an EVW? I’m here all week folks. Try the veal. But seriously, I feel we are getting hung up on details that we feel define an Electric drive train vehicle and I wonder if we need to reconsider that.For better or worse, that's the decision they've made. They'll sell millions whether people consider it an "EV" or an "Electric Volkswagen."
I highly doubt this, since all foreign car companies have US factories, including one for the id4 beginning next yearI also locked in my ID.4 awd pro s today. Besides better ev's on the horizon, I'm worried the federal tax credit could be revised to be only on domestic ev manufacturers, thus including Tesla and excluding the German built ID.4's.
Hopefully by the time I have to make a commitment, that info will be available.
Well, VW does claim "like GTI" handling, so ... ? And as an ICE->pure EV "transitional" vehicle perhaps another break-us-in-easy rationale?
I am fine with them making it a transitional car but do you need to make it feel so much like an ICE car?
They might as well make drivers check in to a gas station once a week as ICErs are comfortable filling up!...
My wife has driven my car 3 times total (she doesn't like driving my "space ship") and even in her short ten-minute test drive she ended up switching to "B" mode saying she preferred it. I am not sure how long the "break-us-in-easy" needs to last. To steal an analogy from someone else on this forum (sorry can't remember who), I am fine with VW putting training wheels on the ID.4, it would just be nice to be able to remove them.Well, VW does claim "like GTI" handling, so ... ? And as an ICE->pure EV "transitional" vehicle perhaps another break-us-in-easy rationale?
An amusing side note. Hours after I checked the VW web site and discovered that I could lock my order (and did so) I got an e-mail from VW telling me I could now lock in my order.
Yup, for me email to lock in came about 8 hrs after the VWPortal was updated to show me at step 2 to lock my order.An amusing side note. Hours after I checked the VW web site and discovered that I could lock my order (and did so) I got an e-mail from VW telling me I could now lock in my order.
Isn't that a software issue that has already been addressed and is in the fix?I agree completely with the OP. Paid my $400 today, too. If the Audi Q4 E-Treon or the Hyundai Ioniq 5 have true one pedal without creep, and maybe a heat pump, I will bail. The American version is too dumbed down; it is not aimed at EV enthusiasts.
One pedal driving? No, there is no option to turn off creep on US models, even on the latest software update. There isn't even a brake hold assist, or hill hold assist.Isn't that a software issue that has already been addressed and is in the fix?
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