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From downtown Phoenix/Sky Harbor Airport/Tempe/Mesa/Scottsdale to my home in Flagstaff is between 160 and 200 miles. The vertical rise is 6,000 feet. Of course there are some level spots and even one substantial downhill lasting perhaps two miles. Let’s say it is nighttime, in the winter. Starting ambient temperature in Phoenix is 40 degrees F. Ending ambient temperature in Flagstaff is 10 degrees F. Assume lights and heater the whole way. Assume a slow speed to increase range (say, sixty-five mph when the limit is seventy-five). Assume no wind above 10 mph.

Today a VW sales person told me (sincerely, I believe) that he thought it was doable. I am very skeptical. The only EA charging station on the route (a major interstate) is about thirty miles out of Phoenix. Thus I see finding an EA charger in Phoenix and then stopping thirty - fifty miles later en route to charge again.

Has anyone on the forum made that exact trip? Does anyone have an opinion? I need to make this trip fairly often. Should I forget about the ID.4?
 

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Is it 160 or 200? Charge 30 miles out of Phoenix and then you only have to go 130 or 170. I think you will be fine, maybe even without stopping to charge.
 

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Is it 160 or 200? Charge 30 miles out of Phoenix and then you only have to go 130 or 170. I think you will be fine, maybe even without stopping to charge.
Mileage depends on where in the Phoenix metropolitan area I’m starting. If the trip requires the intermediate stop, that’s a non-starter for me. I need to know if I can make the entire 160-200 miles without the intermediate stop under the conditions I posed.
 

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Unfortunately, you can't say for sure but I think it can be done. The range at 100% charge is 250 miles. Maybe one of our members has made this trip?
 

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Try using ABRP to simulate exact route. I entered city to city with 30F average temperature along route. Start with 90% (clearly you could use 100%), 1 stop to charge 32 miles out and arrive with 10% charge. Seems doable. (There are some Level 2 chargers and RV 14-50 sockets along the route)

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You could try pluggin it in (no pun intended) to A Better Route Planner, being careful to set all the parameters available in the settings. If you aren't willing to make a stop even in extreme weather, I think that you probably need to go in another direction.

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I made this trip last week. As you are well aware since you live there, the inclines and declines are significant as you rise to about 6000’ in altitude at the highest point. I think you could regen enough in D or B mode to make it. In fact, without any regen miles, I think you could make it. It seems like most posts about range have all but guaranteed 200+ miles, even if you went 70 in a 75!
 

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In my opinion, I think it's doable. Top of at the Walmart Anthem EA charger to a full 100%, then make the rest of the trip nonstop to Flagstaff via the I-17.

"A Better Route Planner" app shows that this trip can actually be done non-stop (Phoenix - Flagstaff) at a max speed of 65 mph. I'm not sure if this app takes into account the elevation change or the ambient temperatures. As a rule of thumb, you can expect to lose 10 miles of range for every 1000' of elevation change. Headwinds and temperature will take off a few more miles.

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Try using ABRP to simulate exact route. I entered city to city with 30F average temperature along route. Start with 90% (clearly you could use 100%), 1 stop to charge 32 miles out and arrive with 10% charge. Seems doable. (There are some Level 2 chargers and RV 14-50 sockets along the route)

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This implies that you should charge to 100% while in Phoenix, and then you can make it without a charge stop and have a few miles left. My ABRP says you might want to go 60 mph at 25F average temperature, and arrive with 13% left.
 

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These guys did Death Valley to Bristlecone Pine Forest, which involves 10,000 feet of elevation rise and over 100F temperatures down in the valley.
 

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It sure would be nice if someone put in a L3 charger in Camp Verde. That casino is a perfect spot for it!
 
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