Map update

artgpo said:

My daughter has lived in her house for over seven years. This morning I tried to enter her address into the GPS and it did not appear. Found this with other locations as well. Anyone have a guess as to the release date of the GPS map on recently delivered ID-4s. Mine was assembled 3/18/21 and arrived 4/18/21, delivered to me 4/29/21.

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I thought I read somewhere that map updates for other VW cars were twice a year. But the ID.4 hasn't been out long enough for anyone to know for certain. Possible that something would show up here:


And for that matter, for some brands, there is a link where you can report errors of one sort or another. I had a link I used for Hyundai at one time, but I haven't found such a thing for VW as of yet. Maybe it is all the same underlying dataset - that I don't know.

Remember that it is not the car companies that put the map database together. All of that is done by outside companies who sell the information to others. Here is a US Gov't website with some information on reporting errors: GPS.gov: How to Report a Mapping Problem Affecting GPS Devices, Apps, and Maps

I suspect VW would also take a report, but they are just going to pass it on to whatever company is providing their navigation database.

mlsstl said:

Remember that it is not the car companies that put the map database together. All of that is done by outside companies who sell the information to others.

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It is a complicated question. In the past, the automakers needed to buy it, but they got tired of paying, and I believe many of them now get their data from "here.com".

The German consortium of Audi, BMW and Daimler initially held a 74% stake in the company

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More directly, I find this, which would be relevant to people in Europe:


Doesn't cover North America, and this is specific to ID.3 and not ID.4 (ought to be the same howerver).

I found map errors and omissions in my own neighborhood years ago but was unwilling to do free work for the Man (Google and most other commercial services accept user edits and bug reports). So I added everything to openstreetmaps.org, which is used as one of their sources by pretty much everyone because it is free or nearly free. It has been remarkable how representation of my neighborhood improved everywhere with clear traces of my work, but it also took months or even years to trickle down.
For the OP I would suggest this workaround: Drop a marker where your daughter's house should be and mark it as a favorite.

ChristophW said:

I found map errors and omissions in my own neighborhood years ago but was unwilling to do free work for the Man (Google and most other commercial services accept user edits and bug reports). So I added everything to openstreetmaps.org, which is used as one of their sources by pretty much everyone because it is free or nearly free. It has been remarkable how representation of my neighborhood improved everywhere with clear traces of my work, but it also took months or even years to trickle down.
For the OP I would suggest this workaround: Drop a marker where your daughter's house should be and mark it as a favorite.

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I made edits to here.com mainly to add new DCFC. For the streets, they were on their own.

I took your advice and zoomed in on the daughter's neighborhood. All the streets are there but not labeled. When I clicked on her approximate location the GPS came up with almost her exact address. Now I have her house as a favorite destination.

ChristophW said:

I found map errors and omissions in my own neighborhood years ago but was unwilling to do free work for the Man (Google and most other commercial services accept user edits and bug reports). So I added everything to openstreetmaps.org, which is used as one of their sources by pretty much everyone because it is free or nearly free. It has been remarkable how representation of my neighborhood improved everywhere with clear traces of my work, but it also took months or even years to trickle down.
For the OP I would suggest this workaround: Drop a marker where your daughter's house should be and mark it as a favorite.

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I am totally with you. Unfortunately, services that use GPS often rely on Google Maps or even Apple Maps for location data. We bought new construction 4 years ago this month, and it was only within the last 6 months ago that our address started reliably populating on websites and in various GPS programs. It's ridiculous the number of edits I've submitted to various companies to get our address first, on the map at all, and then in the correct spot. Now we're building a house and very surprisingly, our new address already populates in the correct spot in both Google Maps and Apple Maps, despite the land being vacant and without an address at all until about 2 months ago!

NBCGLX said:

I am totally with you. Unfortunately, services that use GPS often rely on Google Maps or even Apple Maps for location data. We bought new construction 4 years ago this month, and it was only within the last 6 months ago that our address started reliably populating on websites and in various GPS programs. It's ridiculous the number of edits I've submitted to various companies to get our address first, on the map at all, and then in the correct spot. Now we're building a house and very surprisingly, our new address already populates in the correct spot in both Google Maps and Apple Maps, despite the land being vacant and without an address at all until about 2 months ago!

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The likely source of this data is TIGER, into which all county recorders and official land surveyors send data. If your local officials are efficient you'll have your latest experience, if they are not, you'll be waiting forever. Also, if a subdivision is private like my HOA, the county clerk will never know and TIGER remains white.

My experience is that it takes a very long time of corrections to convince Google or Apple that our edits are better than TIGER. Apple at least pulls in OpenStreetMap, so there's hope that they learn quicker.

ChristophW said:

The likely source of this data is TIGER, into which all county recorders and official land surveyors send data. If your local officials are efficient you'll have your latest experience, if they are not, you'll be waiting forever. Also, if a subdivision is private like my HOA, the county clerk will never know and TIGER remains white.

My experience is that it takes a very long time of corrections to convince Google or Apple that our edits are better than TIGER. Apple at least pulls in OpenStreetMap, so there's hope that they learn quicker.

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In an HOA now, moving to woods in the middle of nowhere 🤣 So yeah, seems the HOA addresses never show up but the solitary address does. Google Maps had our current address for a while, but it out our house in a very wrong spot of our neighborhood. The worst part was that, where our house was according to Google, there was a house with a very similar house number. Talk about confused deliveries. Apple didn’t recognize our address at all for the longest time, but when it did it was not only there but in the correct spot. The GPS in my BMW and MINI recognizes our address and puts us in the right spot. Not sure what their map data source is. They do get regular OTA map updates.

FYI my ID.4 Navigation database is version 20.7. Doing a few quick searches, it appears that release has been out since 2019.

I've got 21.3 here

Ruh-Roh Shaggy, we shouldn't be seeing this much differentiation this early in production!

egsell said:

I've got 21.3 here

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Just checked mine and it is 21.3 now as well. They are definitely pushing OTA map updates without any fanfare. I noticed one of the streets that were missing on the earlier map is now there. I am actually kind of impressed that this is happening and it has value. Now if we can get the nav to prefer EA chargers and put them on our routes, I would consider using the in-built navigation over Apple Maps / Google Maps for some things.

That's awesome to hear. Traditionally the map updates were a profit driver so had to be done at the dealer or with a SD card, so I'm surprised by this. Never made much sense. My 2013 Audi had hard coded, dealer-upgraded base maps, but a real-time Google Earth overlay. So the pretty imagery would show the freeway offramp in its new location (for just $7 for a monthly data connection), while the ugly line depicting the old offramp was shown traipsing across a vacated field.

Strange to have this variation in build configurations. I wonder what else is varying in SW and FW loads?
Anyone know how to force a map OTA update for ID.4? (I can alway dump it back on dealer that is on a big EV learning curve ... ha ha)

Keowee said:

Strange to have this variation in build configurations. I wonder what else is varying in SW and FW loads?
Anyone know how to force a map OTA update for ID.4? (I can alway dump it back on dealer that is on a big EV learning curve ... ha ha)

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All I know is once my in-car data started working (i.e., I was able to register to Car-Net) I got the map update. From the looks of things, all other major firmwares stayed the same. I think I read somewhere in the manual that the maps will update from time to time as there is a data connection. When the major OTA comes, they will give us a popup, I am pretty sure, and allow us to push it off until later. For things like the Maps, I am okay when them just pushing updates without a lot of fanfare.

majorgearhead said:

All I know is once my in-car data started working (i.e., I was able to register to Car-Net) I got the map update. From the looks of things, all other major firmwares stayed the same. I think I read somewhere in the manual that the maps will update from time to time as there is a data connection. When the major OTA comes, they will give us a popup, I am pretty sure, and allow us to push it off until later. For things like the Maps, I am okay when them just pushing updates without a lot of fanfare.

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I might need to leave my car out of the garage for a day or so to see what happens then. I think I only have one bar when in the garage.

The main thing I want to see is if they start to add POI for various DCFC - the lack of this is crippling the built-in navigation.