[dcisive]

Well I spoke to an electrician today that lives near me and he gave me a deal to install a NEMA 14-50 outlet in my garage I could not pass up. Had some quotes as high as $700 and then $500. When he said he could do it for $300 I said sign me up. He'll be here next Friday to get er done with a 50amp fuse setup for a Clipper Creek HCS-50P which will charge at the 240v. 40amp and 9.6kw which should give me the ability to keep my ID.4 Pro S charged up easily and quickly. I don't drive a ton but do like to keep my charge topped up. I had a nice conversation with VW's Customer Service folks today. I told them I prefer to charge to 90% (never 100%). I also mentioned this to a friend who just happens to be a engineer for Toyota. The VW person said the cautionary recommendations of charging to 80% has almost everything to do with that they wanted to establish a "norm" that would allow for minimal degradation of the battery over time. She said this had to do almost entirely with those that are FAST charging at the 125kw rates. VW wanted to discourage those that use the fast charging often from slamming it with that voltage continually at that maximum rate even though VW has a buffer allocated to the battery system (77kwh vs. 82kwh). I can certainly understand why VW would want to establish a cap on those that would otherwise abuse the most efficient way to preserve the life of the battery. She assured me however that my in home charging at 9.6kw and 240v 40amp rates would not present any issues of longevity to the battery even occasional 100% charges. I prefer to err on the side of reason and stick with 90% which gives me the near maximum mileage without the wear and tear. The charger will be here Wednesday in time for me to look over the paperwork, but it's a near "no brainer" install to begin with and allows me to do all the fancy stuff the other chargers such as the WiFi one's and such do without paying for it. The car and Car-Net have all those features in them anyway. I can easily program my charges in the car's menu, and observe the start and stopping in CarNet. So I'm good to go. The government of course has their 30% tax break on the cost of all this so that's nice on my taxes next year.

 

[Nai3t]

Can't go wrong with Clipper Creek for no-nonsense build quality. I see these things in a ton of parking lots around here so reckon they have a solid reputation beyond what I've read about them on the forums. I will say though that they charge a premium price for no frills.

I think you're following a sound charging strategy. I stick with 80 but don't get bothered it I stray over, or if I have long drives ahead of me.

 

[dougwmtn]

Check with the electrician to see if you will need a 60 amp breaker (fuse?) for 40 amps of juice.

 

[dcisive]

Check with the electrician to see if you will need a 60 amp breaker (fuse?) for 40 amps of juice.

The 50p model is designed for a 50 amp circuit it is a 40 amp output so that is what it is it has they have a model that is above the 50p the 60p which is designed for 48 amps not for me

 

[Neil]

The 50p model is designed for a 50 amp circuit it is a 40 amp output so that is what it is it has they have a model that is above the 50p the 60p which is designed for 48 amps not for me

Correct. For plug in EVSE the max rating is 80% of the circuit's breaker, i.e. 40A for a 50A circuit. A hardwired EVSE can be rated at 100% of the circuit's max load, or 50A on the same circuit.

 

[Tinman]

The charger will be here Wednesday in time for me to look over the paperwork, but it's a near "no brainer" install to begin with and allows me to do all the fancy stuff the other chargers such as the WiFi one's and such do without paying for it. The car and Car-Net have all those features in them anyway. I can easily program my charges in the car's menu, and observe the start and stopping in CarNet.

Good luck. I think that the bad news is that this doesn't work yet. And, there is no ETA for the update except 'maybe next year'. There are several threads of frustration here.

Scheduled Charging youtube

Found this youtube that does more to explain the scheduled charging than I'd seen. Maybe you'll find it helpful.

www.vwidtalk.com

 

[Nai3t]

Correct. For plug in EVSE the max rating is 80% of the circuit's breaker, i.e. 40A for a 50A circuit. A hardwired EVSE can be rated at 100% of the circuit's max load, or 50A on the same circuit.

Just wanted to point out that the 80% rule remains in place regardless of whether the EVSE is hardwired or not, because it is a continuous load. This rule is meant to preserve the integrity of the wire inside an unventilated wall cavity or conduit, and isn't intended to address any concerns with a plug/receptacle connection.

Also a note that the HCS-60 like all other 48A EVSEs installed on 60A circuits is hardwire only (so no 60P version).

 

[fiehlsport]

Correct. For plug in EVSE the max rating is 80% of the circuit's breaker, i.e. 40A for a 50A circuit. A hardwired EVSE can be rated at 100% of the circuit's max load, or 50A on the same circuit.

That is incorrect. All EVSEs are subject to the 80% rule as they are a continuous load.

Also a note that the HCS-60 like all other 48A EVSEs installed on 60A circuits is hardwire only (so no 60P version).

Yup - there is a NEMA 14-60 receptacle but last I heard it was not code-compliant for EVSEs anymore.

 

[Salish.4]

Well I spoke to an electrician today that lives near me and he gave me a deal to install a NEMA 14-50 outlet in my garage I could not pass up. Had some quotes as high as $700 and then $500. When he said he could do it for $300 I said sign me up. He'll be here next Friday to get er done with a 50amp fuse setup for a Clipper Creek HCS-50P which will charge at the 240v. 40amp and 9.6kw which should give me the ability to keep my ID.4 Pro S charged up easily and quickly. I don't drive a ton but do like to keep my charge topped up. I had a nice conversation with VW's Customer Service folks today. I told them I prefer to charge to 90% (never 100%). I also mentioned this to a friend who just happens to be a engineer for Toyota. The VW person said the cautionary recommendations of charging to 80% has almost everything to do with that they wanted to establish a "norm" that would allow for minimal degradation of the battery over time. She said this had to do almost entirely with those that are FAST charging at the 125kw rates. VW wanted to discourage those that use the fast charging often from slamming it with that voltage continually at that maximum rate even though VW has a buffer allocated to the battery system (77kwh vs. 82kwh). I can certainly understand why VW would want to establish a cap on those that would otherwise abuse the most efficient way to preserve the life of the battery. She assured me however that my in home charging at 9.6kw and 240v 40amp rates would not present any issues of longevity to the battery even occasional 100% charges. I prefer to err on the side of reason and stick with 90% which gives me the near maximum mileage without the wear and tear. The charger will be here Wednesday in time for me to look over the paperwork, but it's a near "no brainer" install to begin with and allows me to do all the fancy stuff the other chargers such as the WiFi one's and such do without paying for it. The car and Car-Net have all those features in them anyway. I can easily program my charges in the car's menu, and observe the start and stopping in CarNet. So I'm good to go. The government of course has their 30% tax break on the cost of all this so that's nice on my taxes next year.

ID.4 Gradient AWD off boat 11/11/21.
HCS-50 Ordered 11/13/21 arrived today 11/20/21.
Anyone know how to get an electrician that quickly (not the ID.4 part)?

 

[JPWhite]

Great choice of EVSE. Clippercreek are solid. They don't have a lot of smarts, but they do charge EV's reliably.