Is the Passat PHEV available in your market?
In that case XC90 PHEV is good (I assume that is available in your market).Don’t know, but I need an SUV.
That is funny! We had the Outlander PHEV was marketed in the UK from 2014-2021 now the US are getting it…Outlander PHEV is on its way.
They were very reliable. Bit of an oddball from a charging perspective.How did they go with reliability with this PHEV in 🇬🇧?
Neither ChaDeMo nor Type-1 made sense in the UK in 2014, they were dying standards, but Mitsubishi went ahead anyway. And they continued to sell cars with those connectors up until 2021, long after Nissan and Tesla moved to Type-2, and long after the old ChaDeMo public charging infrastructure had been replaced.The 2023 Outlander PHEV coming to Mitsubishi dealerships any day now are outfitted with CHAdeMo for DC charging and J1772 for AC charging. Why would they put CHAdeMo in a brand new PHEV for the 2023 MY is inexplicable. Did anyone at Mitsubishi ask the product manager what the hell he was thinking? CHAdeMO charging infrastructure is on its way out. Yes, it still exists, but 10 years from now it will be a defunct DC charging standard in North America. I know that Circuit Électrique (subsidiary of Hydro Quebec, owned by the Government of Quebec) is still installing (or has recently been installing) 50 kW DC chargers with a CHAdeMO handle, but in the US, this is a dying standard. I think in other Canadian provinces, CHAdeMO is also on its way out.
How can there be such an obvious oversight?
Tesla still uses their proprietary connector in NA too.Nissan’s 2023 Leafs are still on CHAdeMO in NA.
But when you do stop for food, coffee, comfort, or whatever, it is nice to fill up on electricity while you’re there.Does it really matter what kind of DCFC port a PHEV has? Why would anyone be fast charging them? With 40 miles of range, wouldn’t you just be charging at home with Level 1 or 2? Surely you wouldn’t go on a road trip and want to fast charge every 40 miles.
They can market it as “tried and tested” rather than “outdated at launch”.🇬🇧 is great testing ground for PHEV with a lot of rain and humidity that really helps find any problems developing over time.
And the obsolete charging port!This is a different generation. The only thing in common is the name.
The version you’re getting in NA is the 4th generation launched in 2021. I know little about it except it has more powerful electric motors, longer electric-only range, and you can get the PHEV in 7-seat (all predictable incremental improvements). Unfortunately Mitsubushi has abandoned the UK market completely. Bizarre choice because the competitively-priced Outlander really got them some decent market share.So what are your thoughts on 2023 model?
Do you not get Land Rover's PHEV range over there? In Europe the Defender, Discovery, Velar, Evoque, and Range Rover PHEVs all have CCS. I believe that some Mercedes PHEVs also have CCS and VW has announced that all PHEVs will have CCS at some point in future. So rapid-charging on PHEVs is a thing.This is the only PHEV for sale in North America with DC charging capability. The utility of DC charging a battery whose range lasts 40 miles or less (on 80% SOC) but takes 40 minutes to charge 0-80 is unclear to me, and if given a choice, I would probably opt out of this feature if it saved me $500 - $1,000, but in no way do I see it as a flaw of this vehicle. It’s a feature that I will probably never or rarely use. There is a place I go every summer for a month where I can use DC charging to cover my daily driving 100%. I would save about $110 (in current gas prices) during that month if I DC charge the Outlander vs buying gas. The DC charger is next to a coffee shop I patronize, so a 40-minute charging session would fall in line with the amount of time I usually spend there daily anyway. The DC charger has a stall with a 50 kW CHAdeMO handle, so it would be a perfect situation for me. It would cover coffee expenses for me for that month, but not my wife. Is it worth having it on a PHEV? I don’t see the point, but I also don’t think it’s a huge flaw of the vehicle. It’s just an unnecessary feature whose utility escapes me.
If the Outlander could charge in half the time, and if Mitsubishi had a plan to replace this 20 kW battery in the future with one double the size on existing vehicles (for an additional fee), then this feature would start making sense.
Obviously out of town stores such as Ikea have had charging provision for many years. Pretty much all supermarkets have 50kW rapids in addition to AC charging (the AC charging used to be free but nowadays that is rare). The idea is to charge while you shop. You're not supposed to wait with your car for it to charge.Not familiar with any of these PHEVs. There are no DC chargers near stores where I live except at some Walmarts (very few). Only L2 chargers, and even that is a rarity. No, I don’t see a point spending 40 minutes at a DC charger to get 40 miles of electric range on road trips. It makes no sense to me. Maybe in Europe it’s different. Maybe you have DC chargers on every corner. Not the case here. If it were the case, I wouldn’t be looking for a PHEV and would stick with my two EVs.
I can confirm that Mitsubushi sold a vast number of Outlanders in the UK. And the tech was very interesting. However:Since you are an expert in cars, I suggest you test drive it. I would be interested in reading your opinion.