It does help with active preventive maintenance run by software..... but ICE engines don't like to be left not running for extended periods of time. And especially when ICE engine is exposed to the freezing temperatures and it has to start after couple weeks of no use, it will take couple seconds to get oil flowing and getting all dry spots lubricated again. There are many ways to mitigate this problem with pistons or cylinder walls applying low friction coatings, going with low tension piston rings and etc. But as engine gets older it will wear out all low friction coatings and it will be only oil that keeps metals from touching each other.
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Need advice on a mid-size PHEV
Those who hate PHEV, please don't post in this thread. No reason to.
I need a mid-size PHEV available in the US that I can drive in town on electric only drivetrain but that can be used as a regular gasoline vehicle for long road trips without having to plan my route ahead of time and having to exclude certain scenic drives due to the lack of charging infrastructure along the way. I need the electric-only range to be at least 40 miles.
My ideal vehicle is the Li L9, but, of course, it's not available in the US. I need the cargo space to have at least 45 cubic feet behind the second row seats. I don't care about the 3rd row either way.
Is there anything remotely close to what I'm looking for? I've run out of options. One vehicle I stumbled upon the other day was the Lincoln Aviator PHEV, but the trim I would consider costs north of $85,000, which is not something I'm prepared to pay for a PHEV with rather short EV-only range at this time. However, it's torque is pretty good, allowing it to do 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, which is very respectable for a gasoline vehicle of that size. I think the Kia Telluride PHEV could fit the bill (price-wise), but it doesn't exist (yet).
Kia Sorento PHEV could be a candidate, but the electric-only range is kind of short (around 32 miles) and it seems kind of anemic to accelerate 0-60. So, I'm still looking.
I need a mid-size PHEV available in the US that I can drive in town on electric only drivetrain but that can be used as a regular gasoline vehicle for long road trips without having to plan my route ahead of time and having to exclude certain scenic drives due to the lack of charging infrastructure along the way. I need the electric-only range to be at least 40 miles.
My ideal vehicle is the Li L9, but, of course, it's not available in the US. I need the cargo space to have at least 45 cubic feet behind the second row seats. I don't care about the 3rd row either way.
Is there anything remotely close to what I'm looking for? I've run out of options. One vehicle I stumbled upon the other day was the Lincoln Aviator PHEV, but the trim I would consider costs north of $85,000, which is not something I'm prepared to pay for a PHEV with rather short EV-only range at this time. However, it's torque is pretty good, allowing it to do 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, which is very respectable for a gasoline vehicle of that size. I think the Kia Telluride PHEV could fit the bill (price-wise), but it doesn't exist (yet).
Kia Sorento PHEV could be a candidate, but the electric-only range is kind of short (around 32 miles) and it seems kind of anemic to accelerate 0-60. So, I'm still looking.
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The only thing that comes to mind is RAV4 Prime
As far as they are leading company in hybrid technology I would still go with no plug in hybrid.The only thing that comes to mind is RAV4 Prime
Next year there will be refresh version of Prius prime i believe 5th generation hybrid technology that may hit in city 40 miles between charging. But it is passenger vehicle with aerodynamic properties and low roof line.
I wish they offered diesel engine with this hybrid technology....it would be absolute king of miles per gallon of diesel. That not even EV could deliver when charging on fast DC chargers.
Some small I4 diesel engines in EU can go without any problems 4 liter of diesel for 100 km....now imagine that with hybrid technology attached to the small efficient diesel engine.
Dieselgate killed small diesels in the USA . Though I don’t have fond memories of my Sportwagen’s high pressure fuel pump either.
Reason for high pressure failures are less than adequate quality and water dilution in US market vs EU ..... this is why BMW , MB and VW did go with older high pressure pumps and older styles of piezo injectors.Dieselgate killed small diesels in the USA . Though I don’t have fond memories of my Sportwagen’s high pressure fuel pump either.
Another problem in US is cetane number that are all over the board. And there was no government mandated blocking devices to prevent use of low sulfur diesel in diesel designed for ultra low sulfur diesel..... There use to be pumps with both diesels that could be easily misplaced and filled with wrong diesel fuel. And at the early times refineries where not doing proper way of blending and getting specific quality out. US was known for this type of issues. But Australia market was even worse than US for manufacturers.
Please i don't want to start fight about my post, just stating facts about issues diesel engines have faced on US market.
Less than adequate cetane number drastically increases contamination of egr and intake manifold. And US market diesel engines where always calibrated for higher ratio of air vs fuel because of less than adequate quality of fuel and cetane number.
They do on Kia Sportage PHEV in Australia.I wish they offered diesel engine with this hybrid technology....it would be absolute king of miles per gallon of diesel
I have small property in Australia but for vacation time.They do on Kia Sportage PHEV in Australia.
The question is are you willing to move there to get this type of vehicle.
I don’t think anything exists today. 45 cubic feet of cargo room rules out any 2-row SUV. There aren’t that many 3-row PHEVs and 40 miles of electric range is pretty rare in any PHEV. Also keep in mind when it’s colder, the range drops the same ~30% as BEVs.
If you can live with 33 cu ft of cargo space the RAV 4 Prime fits all your other criteria, and it is a rocket.
The trunk space is too small. I need at least 45 cubic feet.I have small property in Australia but for vacation time.
The question is are you willing to move there to get this type of vehicle.
Kia Sorento PHEV has 45 cubic feet of trunk space behind the second row of seats.I don’t think anything exists today. 45 cubic feet of cargo room rules out any 2-row SUV.
I need 45 cubic feet at a minimum.If you can live with 33 cu ft of cargo space the RAV 4 Prime fits all your other criteria, and it is a rocket.
Outlander PHEV is on its way.Those who hate PHEV, please don't post in this thread. No reason to.
I need a mid-size PHEV available in the US that I can drive in town on electric only drivetrain but that can be used as a regular gasoline vehicle for long road trips without having to plan my route ahead of time and having to exclude certain scenic drives due to the lack of charging infrastructure along the way. I need the electric-only range to be at least 40 miles.
My ideal vehicle is the Li L9, but, of course, it's not available in the US. I need the cargo space to have at least 45 cubic feet behind the second row seats. I don't care about the 3rd row either way.
Is there anything remotely close to what I'm looking for? I've run out of options. One vehicle I stumbled upon the other day was the Lincoln Aviator PHEV, but the trim I would consider costs north of $85,000, which is not something I'm prepared to pay for a PHEV with rather short EV-only range at this time. However, it's torque is pretty good, allowing it to do 0-60 in 5.5 seconds, which is very respectable for a gasoline vehicle of that size. I think the Kia Telluride PHEV could fit the bill (price-wise), but it doesn't exist (yet).
Kia Sorento PHEV could be a candidate, but the electric-only range is kind of short (around 32 miles) and it seems kind of anemic to accelerate 0-60. So, I'm still looking.
I need 45 cubic feet of cargo area behind the second row of seats.Outlander PHEV is on its way.
That is funny! We had the Outlander PHEV was marketed in the UK from 2014-2021 now the US are getting it…Outlander PHEV is on its way.
How did they go with reliability with this PHEV in 🇬🇧?That is funny! We had the Outlander PHEV was marketed in the UK from 2014-2021 now the US are getting it…
We are getting a new generation one with double the battery. We’ve had the previous generation for years now.That is funny! We had the Outlander PHEV was marketed in the UK from 2014-2021 now the US are getting it…
Unfortunately, this new generation comes with CHAdeMO because it’s highly influenced by Nissan. What an asinine decision.
Then I guess your decision is made. 
Kia Sorento PHEV has 45 cubic feet of trunk space behind the second row of seats.
It doesn’t have enough electric range.Then I guess your decision is made.
Hmmmm... then I guess there's really no suitable PHEV given all constraints (esp. including price point).
Although again I don't hate PHEV's this is one of the reasons I consider them a "stop-gap" technology.
Although again I don't hate PHEV's this is one of the reasons I consider them a "stop-gap" technology.
It doesn’t have enough electric range.
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