[NeoFrank]

Can the Volkswagen Suck get any worse?

Your safety and that of your passengers is our highest priority. Oh, but BTW, you can can lose power anywhere or anytime. See you again in Q2. You'll get a fix soon. What balls!

It's confusing, on the one hand,
- don't call us, we'll call you in March,
on the other hand,
- "Customers experiencing this situation are advised to contact their authorized Volkswagen dealer ... to have the vehicle diagnosed/repaired"

So, a repair is available, but? Personally, I'd say that a car that loses power isn't an "inconvenience".

 

[mkasemer]

Lots of speculation regarding who might be affected. All I have seen is a range of VINs, which are explicitly labeled as non-sequential. Does anyone have a non-speculative answer regarding who would be affected? Should plugging our VIN on the NHTSA website be sufficient in determination of the scope of this specific recall (and not speculative future recalls which may or may not encompass all MY2021 vehicles)?

 

[Nai3t]

Lots of speculation regarding who might be affected. All I have seen is a range of VINs, which are explicitly labeled as non-sequential. Does anyone have a non-speculative answer regarding who would be affected? Should plugging our VIN on the NHTSA website be sufficient in determination of the scope of this specific recall (and not speculative future recalls which may or may not encompass all MY2021 vehicles)?

Yes, they noted that nearly 21,000 US vehicles are affected, and they sold about that many '21s in the US. So the only speculation is whether there are any '21s in the US NOT affected.

 

[mkasemer]

Frankly it is irrelevant whether we are talking about which models are affected versus which are not affected. The distinction is somewhat trivial, and matters only in that it may be more statistically unlikely or likely, respectively, that a person with a MY2021 car is affected. My question is about whether the NHTSA VIN tool is up-to-date to indicate if our specific car is enveloped in the current recall, as I indicated in the above comment.

Put another way, can anyone here confirm that they have entered their VIN and it reveals the recall under discussion?

 

[wtatun]

Frankly it is irrelevant whether we are talking about which models are affected versus which are not affected. The distinction is somewhat trivial, and matters only in that it may be more statistically unlikely or likely, respectively, that a person with a MY2021 car is affected. My question is about whether the NHTSA VIN tool is up-to-date to indicate if our specific car is enveloped in the current recall, as I indicated in the above comment.

Put another way, can anyone here confirm that they have entered their VIN and it reveals the recall under discussion?

I put the VIN listed in the Recall Notice and the NHTSA VIN tool said there were no recalls - so it is obviously not updated yet (as of right now).

 

[rschmitz]

You dodged my earlier points, but that's fine. I would never have guessed you had an operating radar on hyperbole.
Oxford on ludicrous: "so foolish, unreasonable, or out of place as to be amusing; ridiculous."
I was, in fact, amused.

Settle down fanboy....I was referring to their specific omission or just lazy and inaccurate writing in their numbered section where they describe the sequence of events, only half describing what will happen...the warning light is not the only thing that will happen, but there are purposefully downplaying the situation, VW has done this before in other communications. While you may continue to gobble up their crap with your fanboy grin, others of us out there are more concerned about the situation.

 

[meeshy1342]

As others have noted, it seems like this recall will likely expand to all MY21 ID4s. Given how painfully slow the basic software update process has been, along with the huge number of vehicles potentially affected by this latest issue, I question how quickly they could deploy a fix. As someone who experienced this issue in my car, I can confirm it's scary. There is a lot I really like about the ID4, but they are making it really difficult to continue to have faith in them and the car they've built (especially given how long they have been aware of this). I can begrudgingly look the other way when it comes to the annoying software quirks, but it's a lot more difficult when it comes to safety stuff like this (especially knowing now that my experience wasn't just a fluke or a one-off AND that they knew about it for as long as they did).

 

[blackout]

Maybe I’m a glass full kind of guy, but, the frequency of this inverter issue causing chaos seems low, and so I’m grateful that they’re going to recall my car as a just in case.

A week ago they cut the software update campaign and this place was full of speculation. Nowhere near the top of the list of posited ideas was “that widespread pulse inverter issue!”

 

[TidingSStables]

... and acting on the issue during that 1½ years could have also swayed opinions, or prevented the swaying, depending on which way one is looking at it. Baffling.

This is an expensive lesson for VW. When there are so many different models coming out this years, they will be lucky to be in the top 20.

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[matt awd pro s]

Confirms my longstanding rule : NEVER buy a car that is in its first year of production. Hopefully my late-22 has shaken out.

 

[Metier]

Another reason I wished I would sold my 2021 in July of of 2022 when Carmax offered me $47,000. It’s just turning into more of a turd each day

 

[blackout]

Riding around in high school in my original chick magnet, my Chevy Cavalier, I had a couple of girls in the car (naturally) and we took a right on River Road, a steep hill that ends at a railroad crossing about 50 feet from the river. I’m going about 30 and my car loses all power and I am convinced we are all going into the river in the middle of the night. I blacked out and have no idea how I saved it.

My old, glorious 4G63 Eclipse. Snapped a timing belt on the middle of a 5 lane bridge with no shoulder, didn’t have enough momentum to get to the other side. Waited for an eternity for a flatbed to come get me off the road.

My last A4, I’m doing 75 on the interstate in the left lane in a decent amount of traffic. I try to accelerate, foot to the floor and I’m slowing down. Maneuver to the right with no power and get to the shoulder and eventually on a flatbed to get a new fuel pump.

This ID.4 is definitely the least worrisome of them all for me. But to each their own.

 

[VW Dave]

Cars are machines that can fail suddenly for many reasons. Crap software shouldn’t be one of them.

 

[blackout]

Cars are machines that can fail suddenly for many reasons. Crap software shouldn’t be one of them.

I agree, that’s why I’m thankful that VW is getting these cars fixed before too many people have an adverse event.

 

[Eric Nay]

Last time I pulled the logs from my car, there were so many errors written in there that I couldn't find actual fault data to save my life. If the logs were not filled with that bogus data then maybe someone could have seen the actual errors.

I blame VW for not fixing the intermittent stuff more quickly, so that they could have seen the actual errors sooner. THAT is my complaint with VW.

 

[Ben V]

i got the same email, I thought it was kinda funny. Only thing I thought of was "Oh boy people on the internet are gonna have a trip with this". It's all good folks. I love my car. Clearly has some struggles with the platform and as early adopters we feel it directly. Still love my car after 1.5 years with zero problems.

 

[TidingSStables]

Cars are machines that can fail suddenly for many reasons. Crap software shouldn’t be one of them.

They are now digital devices.

 

[JohnnyForElectric]

Below is my VCDS error on Electric Drive (J841) that seems to perfectly describe the situation leading to 23V-040 recall.

Notice the "CAN_operation_mode_HV_battery_module_control: Init" and "Inverter_reason_for_unexpected_reset: Reset triggered due to KL30 loss" Is that it? The KL30 is 12V, so is this due to low 12V battery?

BTW - this error is also on my first scan of a new car from more than a year ago... I thought this was me unbuckling, backing up and lifting my butt from G1067 / Driver Side Seat Occupant Detection Sensor...

(my HV battery SW is 920 and Inverter 6035 that is right in the list of "involved Components" and versions).

Thoughts?


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Address 51: Electric Drive (J841) Labels: 1EA-907-121.clb
Part No SW: 1EA 907 121 C HW: 1EA 907 121 C
Component: MEB PSM H09 6035

1 Fault Found:
41716 - Control Module Improper Shut Down
U3001 00 [040] - -
[Control Module Improper Shutdown]
Intermittent - Confirmed - Tested Since Memory Clear
Freeze Frame:
Fault Status: 00000001
Fault Priority: 2
Fault Frequency: 1
Reset counter: 15
Date: 2000.01.01
Time: 00:00:00

Inverter_operating_state: NACHLAUF_MODE
Actual_mechanical_torque_calculated: 0.000 Nm
Actual_mechanical_torque_commanded_value: 0.000
Temperature_IGBT_phase_U: 19.868 �C
Temperature_IGBT_phase_V: 20.000 �C
Temperature_IGBT_phase_W: 19.605 �C
CAN_operation_mode_HV_battery_module_control: Init
Voltage_Terminal_15: 0.031 V
DC_link_voltage: 1.136 V
Freewheel_active: Init
Actual_possible_maximum_torque: 0.000 Nm
Actual_possible_minimum_torque: 0.000 Nm
Absolut_value_RPM_e_machine: 0.000 /min
Inverter_reason_for_unexpected_reset: Reset triggered due to KL30 loss
Inverter_damping_control_gear_ratio: 11.531
Inverter_damping_control_tooth_number: 0
Expected_model_type: 2

 

[Nai3t]

This ID.4 is definitely the least worrisome of them all for me. But to each their own.

Still love my car after 1.5 years with zero problems.

This is where I am. @blackout I have to agree with the others though that a defect (software) shouldn't be tolerated when there are enough gremlins that can get me. But I too am taking this in stride, disappointed in VW's handling of it but still enjoying the relatively trouble free ID.4 ownership, and fairly confident they're on the right path, even if they're meandering. I can't begrudge anyone else for feeling differently at this point, especially somebody who experienced this failure and was told the fault couldn't be identified.

 

[Ev1st]

Confirms my longstanding rule : NEVER buy a car that is in its first year of production. Hopefully my late-22 has shaken out.

Especially new technologies.