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This was one I was considering, but can’t wait until late next year for it to arrive. Looks like an interesting option. As an aside, has the camera person for this video ever heard of zoom? Awful.
 

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I am considering this along side the VW. I like both cars. I want four wheel drive so the Ariya and the ID.4 will be arriving around the same time next year. The Ariya looks to be more powerful and it’s 4 wheel drive perhaps more sporty.

In time there will be more reviews of both vehicles and I can make an informed choice. I think Nissan will start promoting the Ariya in the US next month.
 

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I am considering this along side the VW. I like both cars. I want four wheel drive so the Ariya and the ID.4 will be arriving around the same time next year. The Ariya looks to be more powerful and it’s 4 wheel drive perhaps more sporty.

In time there will be more reviews of both vehicles and I can make an informed choice. I think Nissan will start promoting the Ariya in the US next month.
I agree it's an interesting choice. I think the VW wins out on looks, especially the backside, but this has some features going for it, including a heads up display and heat pump. It's also at the same price point as the ID.4 so should be a competitive offering. I like the driver info display behind the steering better on the Ariya, but like the main screen of the VW better so far ( independent of the functionality ).
 

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The VW‘s design is quite pleasing but more conventional. The Ariya may have higher aspirations and is more daring. The Ariya both inside and outside is making a statement about Japanese culture that I admire.

I like both cars but want to actually see them before deciding.

In one respect I think the Ariya is definitely superior, the color selection. VW’s are quite conventional.
 

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at 23:46 Kyle says he doesn’t see how anyone could consider the Ariya over the ID.4. So having seen both he is clearly far more impressed with the ID.4
 

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So he prefers the looks of the VW. Not everyone agrees.
I would value his opinion as a reviewer more highly if he had actually driven both cars before passing judgement.
 

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I see a few things on the Ariya that are suboptimal in my book:
  • Front wheel drive. Even though I've been happy with my front wheel drive ICE cars, putting that high torque electric motor on the front axle when it could be on the rear one seems really backward (pun intended).
  • The "grille". EVs don't need a grille, approach the design with that in mind and deliver something nice. Also I don't want a large expanse of transparent plastic in the front of the car, it will get scratched and yellow prematurely. Teslas sell like hotcakes, so don't tell me people prefer grilles.
  • As mentioned above, uncertain delivery date. This was just a good publicity stunt to remind people that Nissan at last has an EV in the pipeline that draws even with current state of the art in EVs.
 
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@EVW ,

I 100% agree, not actually driving a vehicle and saying it isn't as good seems to be a bad way to review (or not review) vehicles for comparisons. When he released the review of how the ID.4 drives recently and saying that he was the first to video review how the cars drives in the US. There are at least 2 other youtube channels that did a video drive review of the ID4 before him.

Maybe it is me being an engineer but when people make claims that are BS I kinda tune them out after that.

Looks like MotoManTV will be doing a walk around of the Ariya shortly. Once he does I will post it.
 

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I see a few things on the Ariya that are suboptimal in my book:
  • Front wheel drive. Even though I've been happy with my front wheel drive ICE cars, putting that high torque electric motor on the front axle when it could be on the rear one seems really backward (pun intended).
  • The "grille". EVs don't need a grille, approach the design with that in mind and deliver something nice. Also I don't want a large expanse of transparent plastic in the front of the car, it will get scratched and yellow prematurely. Teslas sell like hotcakes, so don't tell me people prefer grilles.
  • As mentioned above, uncertain delivery date. This was just a good publicity stunt to remind people that Nissan at last has an EV in the pipeline that draws even with current state of the art in EVs.
I agree on the disadvantages of a front wheel drive EV, but Nissan has had a lot of experience making the Leaf so maybe they can manage the strong torque. Also I would opt for the Ariya in their 389hp 4 wheel drive version. Their e4orce drive system looks intriguing.
The front grille is mostly for style (they also say it shields the forwards facing sensors) but it also ties the Ariya into other in family of Nissan models. It is easier for Tesla to eliminate the grill because they are building their brand‘s design without an ice history.
Nissan has said the vehicle will be available in the third quarter of next year. They should start an aggressive promotional effort very soon perhaps next month.
 

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I agree on the disadvantages of a front wheel drive EV, but Nissan has had a lot of experience making the Leaf so maybe they can manage the strong torque. Also I would opt for the Ariya in their 389hp 4 wheel drive version. Their e4orce drive system looks intriguing.
The front grille is mostly for style (they also say it shields the forwards facing sensors) but it also ties the Ariya into other in family of Nissan models. It is easier for Tesla to eliminate the grill because they are building their brand‘s design without an ice history.
Nissan has said the vehicle will be available in the third quarter of next year. They should start an aggressive promotional effort very soon perhaps next month.
i have the AWD Id.4 deposited on so id be interested in the AWD version of the Ariya too. It looks like with VW’s,delay they may be out at approximately the same time and it will be good to be able to compare both before making a decision. There are things I like about both vehicles although I’m leaning towards the ID.4 at the moment.
 

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i have the AWD Id.4 deposited on so id be interested in the AWD version of the Ariya too. It looks like with VW’s,delay they may be out at approximately the same time and it will be good to be able to compare both before making a decision. There are things I like about both vehicles although I’m leaning towards the ID.4 at the moment.
Arriya has a heat pump, ID4 does not. Might be a deal breaker for me. Upstate NY...heat pump is a requirement.
 

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The "grille". EVs don't need a grille, approach the design with that in mind and deliver something nice. Also I don't want a large expanse of transparent plastic in the front of the car, it will get scratched and yellow prematurely. Teslas sell like hotcakes, so don't tell me people prefer grilles.
That grill is ugly and offensive. Maybe if they paint it the same color as the car, it will blend in a little. If Nissan offers a heat pump, I might be tempted even though I like the looks for the VW far more.
 

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I got an email from Nissan this morning on the Ariya.


They have updated their website and now has much more information and virtual tours (still no info on range/performance).

You can also see the car in different color options. I especially like the green. The darker colors make the grill less ugly and offensive (there is too much contrast between the copper color and the grill & roof). Also, some of the colors (including green) have matching roof color and not the black roof which I prefer.
 

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Yes, Nissan is starting to promote the Ariya preparatory to their launching the car and opening reservations in the US. I was hoping this would happen this month, but that proved not to be the case. Nissan‘s color choices for the Ariya are appealing.

They will soon have more competition because the Hyundai Ioniq 5 is going to be revealed and delivered in 2021 as well. It looks like both cars may be desirable. Choices, choices!
 

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They will soon have more competition because the Hyundai Ioniq 5 is going to be revealed and delivered in 2021 as well. It looks like both cars may be desirable. Choices, choices!
Hyundai has EV efficiencies that approach Tesla so they know how to make a great EV offering. I like their build quality and features too. If this is released about the same time as the VW, I think it will get me thinking. Especially if it has more range with better efficiency and a heat pump.
 
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