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its gonna be one expensive id.4
 
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I won’t lie, if the Q4 offers a ton of extra equipment over the ID.4, I may be swayed to pick up an AWD Q4 over my pre-ordered AWD ID.4. However, it will have to have a lot of additional equipment to justify what no doubt will be a much more expensive price tag.
 

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Having had Audi's for over a decade prior I'm sure the Q4 will be very nice, especially its interior appointments which they do very well.

But I was unwilling to pay the premium this go-around especially as I'm, again, more focused on using utility rather than just having a utility.

The ID.4 is actually better than I anticipated and just right for me.

It's gonna be one expensive ID.4
 

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Having had Audi's for over a decade prior I'm sure the Q4 will be very nice, especially its interior appointments which they do very well.

But I was unwilling to pay the premium this go-around especially as I'm, again, more focused on using utility rather than just having a utility.

The ID.4 is actually better than I anticipated and just right for me.
I am in the same boat as you. I do enough outdoor actives in all different types of weather and use my vehicles to carry around bigger items a few times a year. The Q4 looks like it will be very good just not sure if it is worth the extra money and being worried about damaging the interior.

One of the big selling points of the ID.4 is battery size and AWD at under $45,000 (for the Pro AWD). It seems to be that the next crop of BEVs will be more expensive for similar battery size and AWD.
 

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Looks great, kind of like an amped-up ID.4, which it basically is. I think I actually prefer the ID.4's interior styling, as the Q4's seems to be quite traditional and not unlike other Audi's. Makes it a bit less special, if you will. No glass roof?? Do I see heated and ventilated seats?? The physical buttons for climate control seem like a no-brainer. But I'm wondering, how many of the features shown in the teaser will actually make it to the U.S. version. And I can only imagine how much will cost. I'm betting at least $10k more than the ID.4, and at that price point, I begin to wonder if it's a better overall EV than the MY LR or P (even though it's probably a better overall general car).
 

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Just cancelled my reservation on an ID.4 Pro AWD (placed on launch day in September) in favor of a Q4 e-Tron. I know it's subjective, but both interior and exterior styling meet my taste better. If nothing else, the video displays integration with the dash instead of mounted floating above are far preferable. The late 2021 delivery dates are equal to the AWD for the ID.4 once that got pushed back. Interior trim options (e.g., wood inlays, multi-color, leather, etc.) and materials look nicer on the Audi than the VW. AR and heads-up will be an available option (yes for extra $$, but at least available). So, if you get the same drivetrain, on the same schedule for $5K more, I'd definitely opt for the Audi experience which includes a more polished interior, better dealer experience (both at sale and later when returning for service) and ultimately better resale/residual value. I'm a 30 year purchaser of both VWs and Audis, and have experience the marked difference in dealership experience between the brands. I'm also working with an Audi salesperson from whom I've bought 3 prior vehicles, so I have confidence in an honest, no-hassle, no-tricks purchase experience.
 

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@b5s4,

Your reservation was for the Pro AWD or the Pro S AWD?

I am very much interested in the Q4 too and have a reservation for the Pro AWD. Just not sure how much more the Q4 AWD will be over the Pro AWD.

Really wished they had given pricing and trim level details last week. Test drove the ID.4 for a 2nd time on Friday and saw the ID.4 Pro in Moonstone Gray on Saturday.

Also hope Audi does what VW and Ford did with a tour of their EVs last year.
 

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I think the q4 ticks a lot of the boxes that turned me off on my test drive of the ID.4 Mostly importantly the dash is so much better. The 5" screen on the ID was okay when it came with the HUD, but on its own it just feels out of place. The Q4 has the same really really nice dash you see in most Audis. If it really ends up $5k between a pro s AWD and a q4 awd with the basic 'premium' pack it will be a no brainer.
 

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EURO prices are known for the Q4 etron.. just not yet for the 50 quattro. which is the AWD variant.. looking at vw.com RWD to AWD is a markup of 3.6k $. converting to euros and adding VAT brings it to 4k €
Slap around 4k-5k euros on the prices below for the AWD markup on the Q4 40 version. This includes 21% VAT. Bam 70k for the S comp.... These are secondhand Etron 55 prices.

Model and specPowerBatteryStarting from:
Q4 35 e-tron Launch Edition170 pk52 kWh€ 48.295
Q4 35 e-tron Launch Edition Advanced170 pk52 kWh€ 53.045
Q4 35 e-tron Launch Edition Advanced Plus170 pk52 kWh€ 57.045
Q4 35 e-tron Launch Edition S Competition170 pk52 kWh€ 61.045
Q4 40 e-tron Launch Edition204 pk77 kWh€ 52.815
Q4 40 e-tron Launch Edition Advanced204 pk77 kWh€ 57.565
Q4 40 e-tron Launch Edition Advanced Plus204 pk77 kWh€ 61.565
Q4 40 e-tron Launch Edition S Competition204 pk77 kWh€ 65.565
 

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@b5s4,

Your reservation was for the Pro AWD or the Pro S AWD?

I am very much interested in the Q4 too and have a reservation for the Pro AWD. Just not sure how much more the Q4 AWD will be over the Pro AWD.

Really wished they had given pricing and trim level details last week. Test drove the ID.4 for a 2nd time on Friday and saw the ID.4 Pro in Moonstone Gray on Saturday.

Also hope Audi does what VW and Ford did with a tour of their EVs last year.
My reservation was AWD Pro, not S. (I hate the panoramic sunroofs that are all too common!) My salesperson has shared the info that is available to dealers so far, which isn't much more than what has been made available to the public so far. They have not yet received the order guides, so pricing and what is in each of the trim levels for the US is still up in the air. Sales people can schedule their sales training in late May and early June, so he expects the order guide to be out just before that. From the Audi marketing approach, and other vehicle introductions, he is almost certain that the quattro (AWD) will be available in the US ahead of the RWD and estimates the base price (Premium trim) would around $48K. Premium trim should be similar content to the Pro, but with Audi finishes - best recommendation is to compare the included content on the Q5 at all 3 trims. The AR/Heads-up display will likely be standard only in the Prestige, but may be an option or part of a package available in the lower trims. I'm trying to only post confirmed information, so note that that is a reasonable good educated guess only.

As I noted, I've been both an Audi and VW owner in the past. Part of my decision to pay more for the equivalent Audi is the dealership experience. (My two preferred dealers for each brand are around the corner from each other, so distance is not a factor.) During the sale, the level of support, dedication to brand, transparency of information, willingness to reach out to Audi NA for exceptions and extras, etc. makes for a much better experience. For service, remembering who you are, free loaners, free car washes, upscale waiting area, etc. all come with Audi. That may not be worth $5K, but it's worth something. Combine that with preferring the Q4 interior, and I'm in.
 

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... he is almost certain that the quattro (AWD) will be available in the US ahead of the RWD and estimates the base price (Premium trim) would around $48K.
I will be shocked if that is the case. The Q4's are coming off the same line as ID.4, and as far as we know no AWD cars are being built yet. My guess is RWD late 2021 with AWD Q1 2022. I have an ID.4 reservation that I'll keep open until we know

Concerning Q4/ID.4 materials differences, I watched the Autegefuhl preview a couple of days ago and was a bit surprised by how similar certain pieces are: no frunk, no struts for the front hood, charging door is identical with the same dangly cover for the DC plug. And shockingly the plastics for the rear doors are hard like the ID.4. Not cool seeing them cheating out to such a degree. I hope everything else is up to Audi standards.
 

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...And shockingly the plastics for the rear doors are hard like the ID.4. Not cool seeing them cheating out to such a degree. I hope everything else is up to Audi standards.
Cheaping out, not cheating out, or is there diesel involved? :)
 

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I will be shocked if that is the case. The Q4's are coming off the same line as ID.4, and as far as we know no AWD cars are being built yet. My guess is RWD late 2021 with AWD Q1 2022. I have an ID.4 reservation that I'll keep open until we know

Concerning Q4/ID.4 materials differences, I watched the Autegefuhl preview a couple of days ago and was a bit surprised by how similar certain pieces are: no frunk, no struts for the front hood, charging door is identical with the same dangly cover for the DC plug. And shockingly the plastics for the rear doors are hard like the ID.4. Not cool seeing them cheating out to such a degree. I hope everything else is up to Audi standards.
Based on your argument, I would have been waiting equally as long for an AWD ID.4, which is also currently showing earliest deliveries in Q4, consistent with the first USA availability of the Q4, I have a less difficulty believing the Q4 will arrive with Quattro first. I'll take a nickel wager with you on that (and I'm already wagering to that effect with myself by cancelling my ID.4 reservation!). As to materials and design, I was focused much more on the cabin, where the overall layout, seat fabrics and colors, use of hard buttons has much more appeal (to me). I'm sure that much of the mechanicals and exterior parts will be shared. Surprisingly, however, I'd seen at least some indications that the braking system would be from the Audi parts bin rather than shared.
 

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I will be shocked if that is the case. The Q4's are coming off the same line as ID.4, and as far as we know no AWD cars are being built yet. My guess is RWD late 2021 with AWD Q1 2022. I have an ID.4 reservation that I'll keep open until we know
Well the id.4 gtx is supposed to start up soon. I don't know if that means you can order one or they are shipping. EU is ahead in timeline though so I wouldn't be shocked to see them get the AWD ID.4 ahead of the US. Considering there is no info on US preorder at all yet I'd be surprised if any of them get here before q122.
 
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